2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
This is interesting, but I still can't find anything on 2020 polls:
"From April 9 to July 3, nearly 300 Teamsters locals nationwide conducted first-of-their-kind presidential town halls to solicit endorsement preferences from members via straw polls. The in-person voting was held prior to President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the race. The Teamsters’ polling data shows members backed Biden 44.3% to Donald Trump 36.3%.
Following the Republican National Convention and Biden’s exit, the Teamsters commissioned a national electronic poll of its 1.3 million members, overseen by an independent third party. During a voting window from July 24 to Sept. 15, rank-and-file Teamsters voted 59.6% for the union to endorse Trump, compared to 34% for Democratic candidate Kamala Harris."
You're right in that some people who are like, hard core libertarians would find ideological ground for opposition to school lunches existing. Though I imagine many would want the lunches to be good if they must exist.
What I mean is, that is not why these things happen. The school board didn't pass around a copy of The Fountainhead or Nozick and make a principled decision.
I also mean there isn't some huge ideological conflict over many o
school lunches are mean tested in Italy and I think in various other EU countries. I pay 6 Eur/kid/day for trash I would make better with 2 Eur of groceries for a few portions. they can eat better at a bar with 6 euros but they can't go to a bar.
a pragmatic libertarian would just tell you that if parents cant feed their children they should lose custody
I mean, it really isn't though. Do you have kids? It's a real challenge to get them to eat anything unfamiliar even high quality, expensive, healthy stuff most upper middle class adults would really enjoy . Now think about cooking for 1000 kids in a low income area where these problems are the worst and most kids have very little exposure to things you would not call junk food. Given you can't force kids to eat something they don't want
how and why is the budget 1 dollar per meal given the USA spends far more per pupil in public school than any other country in the world? you spend like 17k/year per pupil in K12.
removing a DEI admin can feed 300 kids very well for a school year
there's a major misconception here as well as an error in logic
1 - the amount kids are charged for lunches, even if they pay full price, is only a fraction of the actual cost - the amount they pay is intended to help offset the cost slightly and is never the operating budget
2 - a growing number school cafeterias are outsourced to private companies - this ensures they will source the cheapest possible ingredients - while it often can make se
in Italy it's no profit private associations and they pay all costs with the cap price (6 Eur per meal per kid); the state pays 0 to 6 depending on the income of the family
school lunches are mean tested in Italy and I think in various other EU countries. I pay 6 Eur/kid/day for trash I would make better with 2 Eur of groceries for a few portions. they can eat better at a bar with 6 euros but they can't go to a bar.
a pragmatic libertarian would just tell you that if parents cant feed their children they should lose custody
it's not standard, but very common for a lot of kids to bring their own lunch from school
most parents don't do that because of the extra time it takes to make their lunches in the morning but they do have that option if they don't want them eating the school lunches - what it often results in is a secondary bartering market where kids will trade some of their items each day for select items on the menu that they happen to like
it's not standard, but very common for a lot of kids to bring their own lunch from school
most parents don't do that because of the extra time it takes to make their lunches in the morning but they do have that option if they don't want them eating the school lunches - what it often results in is a secondary bartering market where kids will trade some of their items each day for select items on the menu that they happen to like
oh it's illegal in Italy to bring lunch ( excuse is other kids allergies).
need special paperwork with signatures from allergologists to bring a birthday cake
school lunches are mean tested in Italy and I think in various other EU countries. I pay 6 Eur/kid/day for trash I would make better with 2 Eur of groceries for a few portions. they can eat better at a bar with 6 euros but they can't go to a bar.
a pragmatic libertarian would just tell you that if parents cant feed their children they should lose custody
Ah yes the libertarian position of taking kids from homes because their parents are poor. Standard libertarian stuff.
Ah yes the libertarian position of taking kids from homes because their parents are poor. Standard libertarian stuff.
if minors need the state to substitute parents, parents definitionally aren't capable of doing the minimum they should be able to do to be parents.
libertarians dislike welfare, but they can accept some for undefended people. but if that happens it means their legal tutors failed completely at their job and should be replaced.
same is obviously true for demented patients and the like
in Italy it's no profit private associations and they pay all costs with the cap price (6 Eur per meal per kid); the state pays 0 to 6 depending on the income of the family
oh yeah but they don't make money off what the students pay
they make the money off the state where they have a set quota they'll be paid and what students pay at the register is not even 1/3 of that and the rest comes from the state
the cafeteria, even when privately run, can't just decide to charge more to the students as the school decides that, but even if that money did go up, it wouldn't necessarily mean the cafeteria would be bringing in more income, it'd just receive a larger portion of the same fixed amount directly from students
ie the state will say "we'll pay 6.54 per meal per student" and then the school charges what they can from those who can afford to pay and the state will provide the rest - in some districts there's so much poverty that they don't even collect money at all because it'd cost more to pay someone to operate a register for the few who can afford to pay that they just decide it's easier to make it free for everyone (also so the handful who aren't poor don't get ostracized)
also, usually when it's outsourced it's because for last few years the cafeteria cost the school 1.5 million but it was ineffeciently run, a private company estimates they can do it for 1 million a year in costs and bids 1.4 million so it's often a win-win financially for the school (despite that the quality of food obviously drops as they now cut every corner possible to run it as cheaply as possible)
oh yeah but they don't make money off what the students pay
they make the money off the state
ie the state will say "we'll pay 6.54 per meal per student" and then the school charges what they can from those who can afford to pay and the state will provide the rest - in some districts there's so much poverty that they don't even collect money at all because it'd cost more to pay someone to operate a register for the few who can afford to pay t
nono when I pay 6.11 for a meal at cap that's what they get. they don't have state extras here.
state puts the difference when the parents are asked less than 6.11 (mean tested on income).
it's always outsourced here as well as usual (as with everything else) private sector in competition can do it better for less money (as it automatically happens every single time with no exceptions everytime you can have competition).
they cut every corner the same when it's public but you can't fire them
if minors need the state to substitute parents, parents definitionally aren't capable of doing the minimum they should be able to do to be parents.
libertarians dislike welfare, but they can accept some for undefended people. but if that happens it means their legal tutors failed completely at their job and should be replaced.
same is obviously true for demented patients and the like
you’ll end up paying way more than if you just give the kid food bro. also again never heard of libertarians who actually want to EXPAND CPS
trump is a rino--change my mind.
The most consistent defense here/elsewhere during his term was that he's actually just a regular old republican+mean tweets ie rino+mean tweets. Mean tweets are basically meaningless so all you're left with is 100% rino 😀
trump is a rino--change my mind.
The most consistent defense here/elsewhere during his term was that he's actually just a regular old republican+mean tweets ie rino+mean tweets. Mean tweets are basically meaningless so all you're left with is 100% rino 😀
ofc he is more to the left than most republicans
you’ll end up paying way more than if you just give the kid food bro. also again never heard of libertarians who actually want to EXPAND CPS
you don't just pay for the food bro, it's the reddest of red flag.
especially in a rich country like yours where you need to act on purpose not to feed kids, food stamps alone allow for an Italian middle class food intake
you don't just pay for the food bro, it's the reddest of red flag.
especially in a rich country like yours where you need to act on purpose not to feed kids, food stamps alone allow for an Italian middle class food intake
lol I don’t get your takes sometimes. You want the state to take away kids and put them where? This is a completely different type of libertarianism than the american kind.
what does this food fight have to do with the 2024 USA election?
Luciom is ostensibly mad that Tim Walz gave free food to Minnesotan school children. He’d prefer them to take the kids away I guess.
Still think it's not spiraling?
Luciom: if you’re poor and pregnant you should not be allowed to have an abortion and you must carry the child to term
Also Luciom: if you’re poor and have a child your child should be taken away from you
Keep on keepin on, champ
also conservatives: the age of consent is too damn high
1. Just love the picture of Trumpy they used
2. The fact that DJT is now worth less than it was before the merger and truth social IPO is the most heartwarming news of the day
how and why is the budget 1 dollar per meal given the USA spends far more per pupil in public school than any other country in the world? you spend like 17k/year per pupil in K12.
I'm just telling you what the article says. The Noma chef says he has 1.25-1.33 per meal for ingredients. It's apparently not easy to make a good kids menu with that budget, which isn't surprising.
nono when I pay 6.11 for a meal at cap that's what they get. they don't have state extras here.
state puts the difference when the parents are asked less than 6.11 (mean tested on income).
it's always outsourced here as well as usual (as with everything else) private sector in competition can do it better for less money (as it automatically happens every single time with no exceptions everytime you can have competition).
they cut every corner
that sucks that even with the economy of scale they have going, your kids can get better quality food at a bar for lunch than the cafeteria
sounds almost like you are a bit of a leftist wanting government control over nutritious and high quality school food 😀
Luciom: if you’re poor and pregnant you should not be allowed to have an abortion and you must carry the child to term
Also Luciom: if you’re poor and have a child your child should be taken away from you
Keep on keepin on, champ
except I wrote repeatedly I would even give abortion pills for free no question asked first trimester , even to minors.
so unfortunately for you , you aren't talking with an incoherent right-wing extremist.
and btw even if "poor" by current American standards, you can feed your kid like people always did with less money than the American "poor's" have access to.
food stamps for a family of four are the median income for a family of 4 in mexico
