2024 WSOP!

Since I have never won anything big in the US yet I am wondering how it will work in the unlikely event if I do bink something. I am from Germany, we do not have to pay any taxes on poker winnings. How does it work for us? Will they just give me the money in chips, cash or wire the Winnings? Or is there still some withholding or tax deduction?

Be extremely careful following anything you read regarding taxes on 2+2 even from ME regarding taxes (and I'm a retired CPA LOL) REFER to the WSOP FAQ for very specific info https://www.wsop.com/2023/faq/

So much is situational dependent and withholding is NOT taxes per se just in effect just a deposit against a future due tax obligation.

As to pay out that is Normally done in cash but arrangements can be made to deposit to your TBIC account or check at a minimum. I'm unsure on wire transfer but I suspect that is possible certainly from a TBIC Account it was in prior years.

This doesn’t seem true to me, but I haven’t had an applicable win at the WSOP, so I don’t know if they do things differently. Like the other guy said, players should do their own DD if this important.

Withholding means they actually remove money from the win as estimated tax. And then you either get money back or owe more based on your complete tax basis when you file your annual tax return.

For non-U.S, I think they always withhold and then if the country the player is from has a tax treaty with the U.S., the player can go through a process to get that money back. That process could be fairly lengthy (1 year+).

In my experience, for US players, when you win $5001+ net, you get a w-2g form, but you get the choice to have money withheld or not. If it is not withheld, you are supposed to submit an estimated tax payment yourself in the quarter you win to avoid late fees and/or penalty. This can be done online for federal and, likely, state, and is fairly painless. But if you’ve never done it, make sure you keep the receipts for your tax return. I think 25% net win is typical for estimated tax for federal and your state, if it has income tax, may have a different amount. Estimated tax is due 6/17/24 and 9/16/24 for this and next quarter. So if your win is on 6/18/24, you have a couple extra months to make the estimated tax payment. So the only real reason not to have the money initially withheld is if you have something better to do with it between the date you win and the estimated tax due date.

There may be an amount above which they will not give you the choice to withold, but like I said, I have never had money withheld for a net win in the $5-10k range.

Akashenk- Your post is fundamentally accurate as I understand the law and procedures EXCEPT FOR Foreign players. "Foreign Residents of U.S. Tax Treaty Countries:Must provide an Individual Tax Identification Number. " If thevindividual has the number (and Ceasars has said they are attempting to be able to assist in that process) no federal withholding is required. Without that # the default is 30% of the payout. Which the individual may attempt to get refunded when applicable and as you have correctly stated can be a long process.

Everything with the IRS tax code is highly specific circumstance dependent. For any players that win or need exact advice there has always a tax specific vendor (firm name escapes me) every year I have played that might be able to assist you either free or for a fee dependent upon your need. Again I am a CPA but NOT NOT NOT a tax expert and I have spoken to their representatives out of curiosity in the past and they SEEMED competent.

I'm not telling you. You just want to make sure we are out there at the same time to increase your odds of playing with me because you know I am -EV. HINT: I am playing in smaller BI events.

Yes they do, each country is treated differently in the sense that certain have a tax treaty with the US (and thus there is no 30% withheld) and others no, like where I am from, Canada.

Exactly this. Which is why they made the Main Event, AKA the most important tournament of the summer, a 15k min cash, as to not go beyond this 5k profit threshold unless you ladder up some more, of course

Yes! Thanks for putting that together, it's great to see how things were tweaked through all of the payouts. Many of us were asking for exactly this kind of improvement. I'd like to have seen them go still a bit further, with a bit more taken from the top 9 spots and distributed to players finishing in the 1-5% range, but this is definitely an improvement. Thanks WSOP!

Regarding payouts and taxes, a couple observations:
- I cashed 17,500 in the ME last year, and I don't recall being given an option to have taxes withheld. Entirely possible I've forgotten it, as I would have elected to not have withholding anyway (we already make quarterly estimated payments), but I'm not sure it's an option.

- Somebody questioned how they could get their payout. The answer is any way you can imagine. I believe they offered cash, casino chips, a cashier's check, and wire transfer as options, and if you wanted you could mix and match (get some chips, some cash, and the remainder on a check). I know the couple in front of me in the payout line was talking about getting a thousand in chips to go play roulette with.

- It's really interesting that in the ME, making the first pay jump could be problematic for some foreign players. I suppose that adds to the frenzy of all-ins after the bubble bursts, as short-stacked foreigners are actually disincentivized to try to last to the first pay jump to 17.5k. That only took about 15 minutes last year!

Yup. As an example, my buddy (also Canadian) just got his return on the 30% withheld from the 2018 Main Event a few months ago, a good 6 years later, no less!!! He did cash for 50k though, not a mere 2.5k extra that would give one more thoughts about shoving light in a yolo go-big-or-go-home sort of move.

Okay since I am partially responsible for opening this Pandora's box Straight from the IRS website Instructions for forms W-2G https://www.irs.gov/instructions/iw2g

Withholding
You must withhold federal income tax from the winnings if the winnings minus the wager exceed $5,000 and the winnings are at least 300 times the wager. Withhold 24% of the proceeds (the winnings minus the wager). This is regular gambling withholding.

If the winner of reportable gambling winnings doesn't provide a TIN, you must backup withhold on any such winnings that aren't subject to regular gambling withholding. The backup withholding rate is identical to the regular withholding rate of 24%. That is, backup withholding of 24% applies if the winnings are at least $600 but not more than $5,000 and are at least 300 times the wager. Figure backup withholding on the amount of the winnings reduced, at the option of the payer, by the amount wagered.

My comment
Please note the word AND above also note this is for US taxpayers. The link also gives specific additional detail for Non Residents with and without a valid Tax ID. Normally a refund should NEVER take 5 years after filing for a refund. There must have been a significant delay in his filing and also lots of additional issues. Typically a refund should be completed well within 6 months tops.
That said NOTHING surprises me with the IRS.

If you are a U.S. citizen and cashed for net $7500, then the WSOP gave you a w2-g form to submit with your annual tax return. This would have listed the withholdings, if there were any. Again, I’m not certain if they withhold automatically, or don’t withhold automatically, or ask the player what they prefer. I just know in my experience in other venues, the player has the choice. It’s possible the WSOP has different policies, but they can’t get around giving the w-2g when applicable.

I asked for my vacation time in December.

I booked my Airbnb the day the schedule dropped in February.

I finished paying for my flight and my stay last month.

I’ve now reached the point where I’m counting down the number of days at work before my flight.

That number is currently 13, and I cannot POSSIBLY contain my enthusiasm!!

The classic boomer response. You all are scared of your own shadows. Everyone's out to get you! Ahhhh!! My parents are the same way. 71 and 79 and never traveled internationally. "It's too dangerous."

Live your life and be a man. Have some courage.

Payouts should drop down to 12.5% of the field. 15% is stupid and 10% is too low. If you look up the definition of compromise in the dictionary, you'll find this argument for 12.5% payouts in poker tournaments. Maybe not, but it should be.

Oh I definitely got the form, and they definitely didn't withhold. I just can't remember whether I was given the option or not. I know my local card room doesn't withhold when they have to do a W2G.

You can't see me but I'm applauding.

LOL!

AND walking through the Bazaar thing and the elevated walkway, assuming you value your life and don't try to cross the roads on the ground level.

Does anyone know if the Gladiator event will reach the money on Day 1? They usually say so on the structure if so, and the Gladiator structure doesn't say so.

Does anyone remember when the money bubble broke? Sometime on Day 2?

Caesars doesn't get to choose if they withhold or not. - I posted the rules direct from the IRS website. Withholding can be done at the sole discretion of the winning player..... purely in theory.... if the IRS REQUIRED criteria is not met Caesars could choose to NOT withhold even if the player requested it. In practice if the request is made by the player I believe Caesars would comply by withholding the funds and submitting them under the players Federal ID number (typically your social security number) to the US Treasury.

Withholding is done regardless of the players wishes if the IRS criteria is reached.

im worse sadly, but I appreciate your posts in BFI for years so thats why i asked

Last year the money bubble burst not long after dinner break on each Day 1.

30k starting stack and 30 minute levels = almost a turbo. Bubble will easily burst on day 1. Hardly anyone will bag.

You can always go to PokerNews and look at reports from earlier years.

Just glanced at Day 1A from last year. 3,940 entrants with only 129 players advancing to day 2 (3.2%).

https://www.pokernews.com/tours/wsop/202...

Guessing it will take about 8-9 hours of play to reach the bubble.

thats INSANE. i playedin the 500 and i think gladiator? both near end of day felt shallow but thats just me playing bad

Thanks, appreciate it.