2024 WSOP!
The World Series of Poker has wrapped up its newest winter series and is announcing new details for the 2024 summer event in Las Vegas.
“…..Ty Stewart, SVP and Executive Director of the World Series of Poker. “But it’s time to turn the page and begin the countdown to 2024. Records are made to be broken. We’re busy on improvements to make sure 2024 is both the biggest and best event in poker history. Mark your calendars and bank those vacation days. We’ll see you in Vegas.”
The 2024 WSOP will take place at Horseshoe Las Vegas and Paris Las Vegas from May 28 to July 17, 2024, with the Main Event running from July 3 to July 17. The Main Event – poker’s undisputed freezeout world championship – will have four starting days, beginning on Wednesday, July 3. Players may also register directly on Day 2 on July 7 and 8.
The full daily event schedule for the 55th annual WSOP will be announced in early 2024. Fan favorites, including the Mystery Millions, Millionaire Maker, and the Senior’s Championship, will return to the schedule in 2024. …..”
The payout structure for lots of large field events at the WSOP and beyond definitely need to be reviewed. Once you get to a point, the difference, for example, between 1MM and 1.2MM, or 500k and 700k is hard to justify when it leads to less meaningful min-cashes and final tables, etc. This is especially true at the WSOP where most of the large field events are 3+ days long.
Flatter payouts would be nice, but they seem to believe that a gigantic first prize is what attracts interest.
As for the delays, is it too cynical to think WSOP-P would naturally have interfered with their planning? I imagine it ate up a lot of their attention in late 2023, which was time that otherwise could've been spent planning for summer.
Flatter payouts would be nice, but they seem to believe that a gigantic first prize is what attracts interest.
As for the delays, is it too cynical to think WSOP-P would naturally have interfered with their planning? I imagine it ate up a lot of their attention in late 2023, which was time that otherwise could've been spent planning for summer.
This isn’t 2010 anymore. IMO there are a lot more players now, even those who consider themselves recs, who are more savvy than there were back then. Most players realize that first place is a completely lottery and extremely unlikely. And as players cash and run deep, the super top heavy prizepools become all the more annoying for all but a scant few lucky participants. The WSOP tournaments are long. They should provide a better return on time for large segments of the field.
As for the delay, anything is possible. But I’m not sure how the WSOP P would have precluded them from releasing a weekend schedule. Unless they are planning on major changes, those events seem to be boilerplate nowadays.
This isn’t 2010 anymore. IMO there are a lot more players now, even those who consider themselves recs, who are more savvy than there were back then. Most players realize that first place is a completely lottery and extremely unlikely. And as players cash and run deep, the super top heavy prizepools become all the more annoying for all but a scant few lucky participants. The WSOP tournaments are long. They should provide a better return on
I'm in favor of flatter payouts, but bear in mind that they got amazing turnout last year, including a record field in the Main Event.
The idea that there's widespread support for flatter payouts is questionable when turnout and participation are so strong.
The dog thinks he is pulling the cart !!
The management of WSOP is thinking they are the one who is responsible for success of WSOP !!
I'm in favor of flatter payouts, but bear in mind that they got amazing turnout last year, including a record field in the Main Event.
The idea that there's widespread support for flatter payouts is questionable when turnout and participation are so strong.
True enough. But who’s to say they aren’t missing out on revenue? There’s a thread I started in this topic related to the Wynn WPT event in December. They had a REALLY successful $1100 event where finishing in the top 1% of a 10K+ field only netted 6x on a single entry. Venues just need to start thinking a little differently about payout structures on these multi-reentry, 3+ day events or interest will diminish.
And I don’t think making something which is popular better is a bad idea. I would be curious if there are those who would object to more meaningful min-cashes and payout progressions and what those objections would be.
True enough. But who’s to say they aren’t missing out on revenue? There’s a thread I started in this topic related to the Wynn WPT event in December. They had a REALLY successful $1100 event where finishing in the top 1% of a 10K+ field only netted 6x on a single entry. Venues just need to start thinking a little differently about payout structures on these multi-reentry, 3+ day events or interest will diminish.
And I don’t think making som
I think many pros would prefer more top heavy payouts, since they're the favorites to final table over recs. But there are way more recs playing in these super large field events, and I would imagine most/all of them would prefer a flatter payout. I know that WSOP gets input from professionals on structure, schedule, and possibly payouts, but not so sure they solicit feedback from the recs, who make up a large part of the WSOP series. Who wants to start a Rec Advisory Board to the WSOP 
I think many pros would prefer more top heavy payouts, since they're the favorites to final table over recs. But there are way more recs playing in these super large field events, and I would imagine most/all of them would prefer a flatter payout. I know that WSOP gets input from professionals on structure, schedule, and possibly payouts, but not so sure they solicit feedback from the recs, who make up a large part of the WSOP series. Wh
Lucky for us some of the "pro's" realize that even though we recs don't necessarily fixate on payout structure as an event criteria that a flatter payout structure doesn't kill our bankroll as fast 🙄. In the long run their own enlightened self interest of larger sheep flocks to shear and not slaughter works to their advantage.
I think many pros would prefer more top heavy payouts, since they're the favorites to final table over recs. But there are way more recs playing in these super large field events, and I would imagine most/all of them would prefer a flatter payout. I know that WSOP gets input from professionals on structure, schedule, and possibly payouts, but not so sure they solicit feedback from the recs, who make up a large part of the WSOP series. Wh
Lucky for us some of the "pro's" realize that even though we recs don't necessarily fixate on payout structure as an event criteria that a flatter payout structure doesn't kill our bankroll as fast 🙄. In the long run their own enlightened self interest of larger sheep flocks to shear and not slaughter works to their advantage.
I am no pro, but I believe those pros who make a living playing poker (as opposed to living off of appearance fees and sponsorships), and especially those who play a lot of poker tournaments, realize that really steep payout structures take more money out of the poker economy than they should. This is good for only a tiny minority of players who are lucky enough to have super deep runs in any given year. This is not good for the vast majority of pros. It is also not good for the venues. Again, taking money out of the economy and giving it to a tiny minority of players is no way to grow a market.
The lottery aspect of tournaments will always exist, but it doesn't have to be so extreme. At some point a price will be paid in attendance. I mean, post COVID, I feel like poker has been buoyed in much the same way as other markets with the enormous influx of cash into people's hands. This is obviously unsustainable, and any sort of negative economic scenario could really hurt things. If the venues aren't listening to the vast majority of their customers, they really need to start doing so, or else these mega fields we are seeing right now may become a distant memory.
I am no pro, but I believe those pros who make a living playing poker (as opposed to living off of appearance fees and sponsorships), and especially those who play a lot of poker tournaments, realize that really steep payout structures take more money out of the poker economy than they should. This is good for only a tiny minority of players who are lucky enough to have super deep runs in any given year. This is not good for the vast majori
I agree 100%. My only question is, is there a good vehicle or process for people to provide feedback to these venues so that they have an opportunity to hear it, outside of people complaining on messages boards and forums? BTW, no one here should be taking offense to my use of the word "complaining" in this previous sentence 😀
I agree 100%. My only question is, is there a good vehicle or process for people to provide feedback to these venues so that they have an opportunity to hear it, outside of people complaining on messages boards and forums? BTW, no one here should be taking offense to my use of the word "complaining" in this previous sentence 😀
This is a good question. It is possible to build personal relationships with decision-makers. But that certainly shouldn’t be required. I think “complaining” within as many social media forums as possible should be ok. I realize online behavior and attitudes are not what one may prefer, but these outlets are no different than modern suggestion boxes. Venues should be open to hearing the complaints and giving them the consideration they deserve.
This is a good question. It is possible to build personal relationships with decision-makers. But that certainly shouldn’t be required. I think “complaining” within as many social media forums as possible should be ok. I realize online behavior and attitudes are not what one may prefer, but these outlets are no different than modern suggestion boxes. Venues should be open to hearing the complaints and giving them the consideration they dese
It’s the good suggestions to complain in as many social media as possible.
But this year delays makes me think that no one is listening as they thinks no matter how we treat , players will come anyway.
True enough. But who’s to say they aren’t missing out on revenue? There’s a thread I started in this topic related to the Wynn WPT event in December. They had a REALLY successful $1100 event where finishing in the top 1% of a 10K+ field only netted 6x on a single entry. Venues just need to start thinking a little differently about payout structures on these multi-reentry, 3+ day events or interest will diminish.
And I don’t think making som
Good point. Top heavy payouts make recs hesitate to fire a lot of bullets, and recs make up the vast majority of players in the 10k+ runner events. I remember last year in the payout line, a guy that played in the same tourney that I did, literally asked out loud "What? Why did I re-enter when I only win 43 bucks after running fairly deep?".
It’s the good suggestions to complain in as many social media as possible.
But this year delays makes me think that no one is listening as they thinks no matter how we treat , players will come anyway.
Setting aside the reason for the delay (and I’m still leaning towards competitive gamesmanship) I think it would have been better public relations to come out in early January and tell folks the schedule release would not work the same this year. This is, of course, if the cause for the delay was anticipated. If it wasn’t, then they really should try to provide some sort of explanation.
As far as whether they take their customer base for granted, that’s hard to say. But it’s plausible.
I agree 100%. My only question is, is there a good vehicle or process for people to provide feedback to these venues so that they have an opportunity to hear it, outside of people complaining on messages boards and forums? BTW, no one here should be taking offense to my use of the word "complaining" in this previous sentence 😀
This is a good question. It is possible to build personal relationships with decision-makers. But that certainly shouldn’t be required. I think “complaining” within as many social media forums as possible should be ok. I realize online behavior and attitudes are not what one may prefer, but these outlets are no different than modern suggestion boxes. Venues should be open to hearing the complaints and giving them the consideration they dese
Talk to one of our own - Kevmath. Does anyone see him at the tournaments any more? I don't get around much, just get to my events and that's about it. I haven't seen him in several years.
Instant thoughts:
- Not sure I love the addition of a day 1C for the Monster Stack and Milly Maker. These were already massive field lotteries, and now the fields will be bigger. I'm thinking 12-15k entries in each. Colossus also gets a day 1C, and the $1500 shootout gets a day 1B, which I think is new.
- The $600 DeepStack Championship (event 62) gets a PokerNews sponsorship. Not a big deal, but a change.
- A new low budget July 4th-themed event ($800 Independence Day Celebration). I don't think they've done this before.
Quick obs: rake on the 1ks went up from 11% to 12% (12% now in line with most other venues)
The weekend marquee events is an extra day bc of flight C (monster, milly)
The sunday <1k NLH are gone in favor of flight C/Ds etc... (and moved to another day)
Instant thoughts:
- Not sure I love the addition of a day 1C for the Monster Stack and Milly Maker. These were already massive field lotteries, and now the fields will be bigger. I'm thinking 12-15k entries in each. Colossus also gets a day 1C, and the $1500 shootout gets a day 1B, which I think is new.
- The $600 DeepStack Championship (event 62) gets a PokerNews sponsorship. Not a big deal, but a change.
- A new low budget July 4th-themed e
Agreed about 1C. They were already long enough and now its adding 1 calendar day and potentially 2 calendar days (if it runs long) and theres not a "second chance weekend bracelet event" that Sundays used to have.
#62 is mine!
Looks like a good structure (so far) and I like the twist of a daily deepstack leaderboard with the top players earning free entrance.
Schedule looks solid. Now I just have to wait for Venetian series (interested in Wynn, aria, GN, etc also but Venetian is my favorite place to play).
It’s cool they released but tough for me because I want to build around a few good Venetian mtts $1100s most likely as that is max buyin I like to go normally unless a great structure $1500. Might book my dates and just change as we get closer though. Good luck all!
Yay. Schedule finally out. I will have to change my reservations a bit. I've always played Monster Stack 1B. Now I will have to change that to 1C. If you don't make it to day 2 of the Monster there's now a more pricey $2K event 44 for consolation. There used to be an $800 tournament then if memory serves, so that's a bit of a bummer. My prediction of Day 1A of the Mystery Bounty was off by a day. I am going to hustle now to change my hotel reservations.
Traveling at present hence just an hasty overview.
Like everyone, I didn’t see anything really exiting NEW in the schedule other then added day 1 flights.
Did not notice any low budget , big guarantee crowd attracting tournaments other than regulars like previous years or may be I overlooked!!
Nothing too exiting to compensate unnecessary long wait!!
Traveling at present hence just an hasty overview.
Like everyone, I didn’t see anything really exiting NEW in the schedule other then added day 1 flights.
Did not notice any low budget , big guarantee crowd attracting tournaments other than regulars like previous years or may be I overlooked!!
Nothing too exiting to compensate unnecessary long wait!!
DAMN, They moved the starting days for the Senior and Super Senior back a day. LOL screws with my reservations and the Cost to book NOW is MUCH more expensive than it was in December. Oh well guess I just outsmarted myself this time 🙄 Hate to have a check in on the same day as the first event I play
