The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Lets be honest in many of our discussions you have stated that morally Canada must do its part to address the climate issue but when I bring up the morality of child labor and slave labor and the environmental impact of that mining of minerals for batteries you flat out ignore it So what should I assume
Lets look at Electric cars or Solar Panels which we subsidize and say they are zero emission we ignore the fact that
We ship coal over to China to power the facilities that make components in tankers that burn Fossil Fuels
Those facilities burn those fossil fuels and employ slave labor to make the components
They mine those minerals with slave labor and the use of fossil fuel equipment
They than ship those components on the same ships back to Canada and the USA
Lets also ignore the fact that Electric cars are twice the weight and destroy our roads twice as quick and pay no road tax and go through tires quicker
To charge those electric cars we burn Natural gas or coal
Solar panels and the batteries have a shelf life and need to be disposed of another issue
I think Electric cars have a placer in society but we all know Trudeaus target is not feasible under his leadership I am not sure a competent PM could get it done
Electric cars are not selling as expected and sit on dealers sites collecting dust and as for solar panels all I hear is the payback is terrible .
My understanding is that the bird deaths is a small fraction of bird deaths by house cats, power lines, and other factors.
Another issue with wind which I didn't know is the turbines do not work in extreme temperatures like minus 30 . Im still for wind power but it has its limitations
From a political point of view Justin Trudeau would be better doing what the European Union has done and declared Natural Gas a clean energy source. This would allow him also to remove the carbon tax element . Reality is in a nation as cold as Canada gets Natural gas is going nowhere
As cute as that little attempt to paint me as indifferent to.....checks notes....slave labour was, uh, no actually that is so ****ing ridiculous I can't even formulate a response.
Lets be honest in many of our discussions you have stated that morally Canada must do its part to address the climate issue but when I bring up the morality of child labor and slave labor and the environmental impact of that mining of minerals for batteries you flat out ignore it So what should I assume
Lets look at Electric cars or Solar Panels which we subsidize and say they are zero emission we ignore the fact that
We ship coal over to Ch
China manufacturing around 30% of ALL goods in the world !
Why would u make such a big deal about child labour and slavery with mining and solar/wing panel that often with such fervour?
If that was such a major point just push your narrative to China as a whole cause it surely wouldn’t be done only on solar panel .
Furthermore never again complain about inflation afterwards cause banning China of alll trade with Canada on your basis will cost a freakin lot of money ….
Again u can’t be on both side of the coin and complain , u have to choose a path .
China manufacturing around 30% of ALL goods in the world !
I would say they manufacturer more than that. Hey I don't mind relying on them for my Iphone or TV I am concerned when we rely on them for our energy and pharmaceuticals
Why would u make such a big deal about child labour and slavery with mining and solar/wing panel that often with such fervour?
I am kinda not a big fan of child labor and slavery
If that was such a major point just p
No a balanced approach is what I am looking for were we utilize all forms of energy. Heat Pumps were they work like BC and the maritimes, Recognize that Natural Gas is a clean source of energy and further develop it. Use it to replace coal fired power plants
Solar , wind, tidal also have their places
This is exactly what’s happening lozen…
Btw hi lozen !
Recognize yourself in there ?
I put the main points up .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/c...
About $2.3 billion in federal carbon-tax rebates will be paid out to roughly 12 million Canadians today, even though many of them may not realize it.
And yet, many Canadians who are eligible for the rebates don't believe they actually receive them, according to recent polling by the Angus Reid Institute. (Not to mention the plethora of online comments whenever the carbon tax is in the news.)
So why do many people not believe it?
Experts say a few factors are likely at play. Either these folks are actually missing out because they haven't filed their income taxes, or they're simply not noticing the money when it arrives, or they're mistaking it for some other type of payment from the government.
If you're married or have a common-law partner, the rebate goes to only one spouse in the household. So it's also possible some spouses are receiving the funds without the other spouse knowing.
Underpinning all this is "a failure at the most basic level of retail political communication" by the federal Liberal government about one its flagship policies, says Shachi Kurl, president of the Angus Reid Institute.
That comment crack me up tho.
U can blame communication office all u want, it will fail when someone just don’t want to listen and see fact as it is ….
The ins and outs of carbon pricing policy are complex, but the fact that people are getting a substantial amount of money from the government every three months shouldn't be that hard to get across, in Kurl's view.
Well seems it is when u are blind by hate , ideology, fake news/narratives and partisanship….
She believes the federal Liberals have not done that effectively, choosing rather to focus their communication efforts on the environmental aspects of the policy rather than its financial aspects.
She says that may have been a good strategy in 2019, when Canadians saw climate change as a top priority, but the Liberals have failed to adapt their message to 2024, when the cost of living has become a more pressing concern.
Lol !
I think we can safely assume it isn’t so after uke compounding on facts many time …
I guess it’s a polite way to tell a message to the conservative without hurting their feeling by blaming the liberal communication office instead of polievre lies …
Meanwhile, the federal Conservatives have been relentlessly attacking the federal carbon tax in financial terms.
Partisanship can often affect beliefs, and the Angus Reid polling indeed found that people who said they had voted Conservative in the last federal election were more likely than those who voted Liberal or NDP to believe they are paying more in carbon tax than they are receiving in rebates (even though economists say the opposite is true for most households.)
Really ? No way ! Impossible !!!
Regardless of party support, Kurl said the polling data shows "a massive number of Canadians who either believe that they are not receiving a rebate when they are, or don't know if they're receiving a rebate or not."
"It could be as simple as what we have here is a failure to communicate on part of the federal government in terms of what people are actually receiving," she said.
Part of that may be due to how the funds arrive.
Yes we always love to blame the teachers when our kids fails instead of what actually going on at home sometimes …
I leave the rest of the article in the link since it explain how it is distributed and why some might not actually receive it like not filling your annual taxes and the like .
But it interesting nonetheless to read tho I know those who should read it won’t !
It’s not fun to disturb our core beliefs system even when it is flat out wrong .
Global warming doesn't care if a tonne of CO2 comes from natural gas vs anything else. It is still a tonne of CO2. It should cost the same. It is true that natural gas is more efficient than say coal, but this is reflected already in the fact that there is less carbon tax because a tonne of CO2 emissions make more energy coming from natural gas than coal.
No its not Natural Gas is considered dirty by our current government . There should be no carbon tax on NG and we should be looking to export as much liquid natural gas as possible The electric vehicle mandate is a pipe dream
It is happening .
Oil , gaz, lng production /export goes up as other energy source as well .
Find me any article where any of those aren’t going up !
Carbon tax ? Just look at my previous post ….
Meanwhile, the federal Conservatives have been relentlessly attacking the federal carbon tax in financial terms.
Partisanship can often affect beliefs, and the Angus Reid polling indeed found that people who said they had voted Conservative in the last federal election were more likely than those who voted Liberal or NDP to believe they are paying more in carbon tax than they are receiving in rebates (even though economists say the opposite is true for most households.)
This is a really good example of Poilievre's lies seeping in. He never mentions the rebates, just acts as if the carbon tax is a massive driver of affordability issues when it is very minor. And it is has fooled a lot of people. Unfortunately, you can cancel the carbon tax tomorrow it is going to barely move the needle on affordability if you are not really rich.
Hate transform people in blind zombies .
lozen, you raised a lot of issues with solar and wind, and I'd agree there are several that need to be (and are being) addressed as technology and alternative sourcing improves. There were two I wanted to reply to, though.
Solar cells having terrible payback - actually, it's gotten quite good for many areas that get strong sunlight hours. Unfortunately, still not there for many Canadians, but I expect it will continue to improve.
I would say they manufacturer more than that. Hey I don't mind relying on them for my Iphone or TV I am concerned when we rely on them for our energy
This seems like a really oddly worded concern. We're not relying on them for energy, it's the energy infrastructure we're talking about. That's much different, because it doesn't give them any power or leverage over the power we generate once we've purchased the infrastructure and installed it. Of course it would be good to get to a point where we're manufacturing more and more of that infrastructure here, but buying some of it from China isn't any worse than all of the other things we buy there. Pharmaceuticals, which you also mention, strike me as quite a bit different because their use is more immediate and thus an interruption in any major supply has an impact right away.
This is a really good example of Poilievre's lies seeping in. He never mentions the rebates, just acts as if the carbon tax is a massive driver of affordability issues when it is very minor. And it is has fooled a lot of people. Unfortunately, you can cancel the carbon tax tomorrow it is going to barely move the needle on affordability if you are not really rich.
That is the lies you are being told. 12 million people got a rebate yesterday and yes there are a few provinces left out like Quebec and BC as they have there own carbon plans Quebecs which is suspect at best. Maybe 95 % is being rebated but it sure isn't being rebated to 95% of the population.
AS for the affordability issue and it barely moves the needle on affordability that is a lie you believe if it wasn't an issue than why remove the carbon tax for Atlantic Canada and every year as it increases it will get worse.
One thing if you cancel the carbon tax tomorrow its not gonna move the needle on climate change just as it doesn't move the needle now.
WE may have to wait 18 months but the carbon tax will be canceled when Pierre gets in . I also wouldn't be shocked if Trudeau steps down this summer after another disaster poll were he fell again after a minor blip up that they said was going to be a trend
Lets also look at reality Alberta was super close to rolling blackouts this weekend and what saved the day Natural Gas and coal fired electricity from Saskatchewan . WE need more natural gas powered plants not less
A great opinion piece on the carbon tax
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstori...
The Parliamentary Budget Office, calculating the negative effect the tax has on the economy says, “Most households in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario will see a net loss resulting from federal carbon pricing. That is, the costs they face including the federal carbon levy, higher GST and lower incomes will exceed the Climate Action Incentive rebate they receive.”
I am not sure if anyone else is following the story of the Coutts 4 as they were denied bail again and have been in jail for over 700 days
Im not saying if they are guilty of a crime or not but that seems like to long before a trial
A great opinion piece on the carbon tax
Ps: no wonder he didn’t provide any link or reference to check out his statements …
Another opinion based using a false understanding from the PBO conclusion
(as u did and we showed u many times with your own articles)
Wth many sides arguments that as no basis on why the carbo tax exist .
Thx again lozen ….
It was just a horrible text without anything substantiate to contribute beside using false narrrative with no facts .
You are welcome to believe a nobody instead of real economist because u like what he says ….
Ps: no wonder he didn’t provide any link or reference to check out his statements …
Another opinion based using a false understanding from the PBO conclusion
(as u did and we showed u many times with your own articles)
Wth many sides arguments that as no basis on why the carbo tax exist .
Thx again lozen ….
It was just a horrible text without anything substantiate to contribute beside using false narrrative with no facts .
You are welcome to b
It’s an opinion piece with some stated facts of Course your allowed to believe Trudeaus lies
Trudeau will get voted out in 2 years for sure but he is in no way a terrible leader.
I see the same energy that happened with Harper. People got tired and started saying he was destroying Canada, etc etc.
Same is happening with Trudeau.
A lot of the decisions from Trudeau were done in good faith.
A great opinion piece on the carbon tax
It’s an opinion piece with some stated facts of Course your allowed to believe Trudeaus lies
U never were able to show trudeau lies on tax carbon rebates
Try again…
Obv u didn’t read the article I just posted about it , just couple post up about it that is horodaté to 3 days ago !
All that stupid opinion piece got debunk .
So again believe a nobody opinion with no hard data to show for and me I’ll trust economists , POB, fiscal agents that actually do works on it .
U never were able to show trudeau lies on tax carbon rebates
Try again…
Obv u didn’t read the article I just posted about it , just couple post up about it that is horodaté to 3 days ago !
All that stupid opinion piece got debunk .
So again believe a nobody opinion with no hard data to show for and me I’ll trust economists , POB, fiscal agents that actually do works on it .
So Justin says something and its true. The man lies about everything
Broken YouTube LinkFind me a politician that do not lies and don’t tell me polievre lies less then trudeau …..
So what’s the problem ?
And yes debt is big but we are no where as bad as many others and at that time debt wasn’t an issue .
And yes 95% of the time debt his paid through Inflation so that is why debts by conservative is bad ( by cutting tax for example ) and liberal ain’t that bad (infrastructure investment) because u at least got something left over when debts gets paid by inflation when it’s infrastructure investment.
Fwiw yes debt sucks but world event crisis like war and pandemic sucks even more so we create debts to go through it .
U disagree with that concept ?
What u proposing better ?
I lived through the 70s and I’m pretty sure the 70s were a much better period then a 1930s depression when government do not print money …
Oh another retreat another reset . I’m sure Justin will be concerned and has plans to promise the world but do nothing
