The costs of trans visibility

We have hundreds of political threads including threads that are just there for general political chit chat.

How many posts have you made decrying the practice of cosmetic breast augmentation surgery in teenagers?

A number of your posts itt are about how we should not condone trans surgery for minors because its unnecessary and dangerous.

It seems to me then, that your objection to surgery for minors is SPECIFICALLY targeted at trans people. Maybe you could provide some insight into why this one specific group has caused you to post incessantly in this thread, and not bring your ire to any other thread where you could speak up about unnecessary surgery for ALL minors, and not just the single minority group you have decided is your ****ing bugbear.

See above. That's a sample size of 35 thousand. Do you have any particular issues with the research there?

I specifically mentioned breast augmentation surgery. There are VERY few instances where that is corrective and not cosmetic.

So why exactly would I be "playing with fire" here? I mentioned one, and only one, type of surgery that is almost universally cosmetic.

Genuinely not sure why this is so hard for you. We're in the trans thread, we're debating trans issues. All the other **** you're bringing up is just noise to make a point that doesn't exist.

By your flawed logic I should be making posts ''decrying'' many more problems minors face which brings us back to the very first point you tried to make. If you don't care about everything, you're not allowed to care about this.

Heroine addicts are reporting lower rates of suicidal ideation also, but this treatment is effective only in those based around having an unfulfilled emotional status.

The blind leading the blind..

Why did they include lesbians and gays?

If surveyed, teen girls after going through breast augmentation will report lower rates of depression and suicidal ideation as well. Do you realize that?

You could go read the paper, but presumably when you are doing a massive study collecting data on 35k people you don't have a single research question.

I did. The 35k sample size claim doesn't seem to hold up. It's more like 14% of 12k transgenders/non binaries for the specific claim made.

That's why I asked.

this is not true, over 25% of all boob jobs are corrective in nature

you just aren't aware because many women with deformed breasts are doing their best to cover it up

Learned something new today though. 63% of youth who fall in the LGTBQ category identify as ''non binary''. Now that's interesting.

I believe that could be true. Do you have a study I can look at?

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this is not true, over 25% of all boob jobs are corrective in nature

you just aren't aware because many women with deformed breasts are doing their best to cover it up

Does this hold for teenage breast augmentation?

For people who suffer from chronic depression and suicidal ideation, most of the time they are not in despair. Especially when they are filling out a survey regarding a treatment method in which they have placed their hope!

Why would pansexuals need gaht?

it's not, which makes me wonder if you actually read it

trans were 12k of that sample - which i would still agree is a healthy sample

14% of them were using the treatment, so it's actually a sample of 1,667, which i also agree is a healthy sample

the study though is not useful at all for determining what we are discussing

there is no before/after with a control group

instead it is "these people are on hormones, these ones aren't and here is self reported data from them"

this is not good science, especially since what we're using for a proxy for the control group is not on any placebo

it's very important to use placebos because on this stuff that's self reported, there's going to be a lot of people on the placebo who will say "they now feel much better" just because they believe they are getting the treatment they want

they are transparent about this as well, noting that 2/3 of those who are not being treated desire it and that there's a remarkably better responses for those with positive interactions with their parents for those who are in treatment

so we could easily just remove the treatment and say that teens who have good relationships with their parents are far less likely to kill themselves - which i don't think anyone would contest

you also run into other issues when you just do asymmetric cohorts like this, you're probably familiar with the most infamous example in wwii when the military did a study of aircraft damage to decide where to reinforce planes with additional armor in production, the charts would indicate that the wings were the most highly damaged parts of the plane that needed the most protection

however, it was the opposite, the planes who got hit there were the ones that survived and the reason why planes weren't getting tons of damage in the other parts was because the planes that got hit in other sections would not be coming home

this is why this study is not useful for our purposes of determining if treatment reduces suicide amongst trans

and since we'll never be able to use placebos and double blind tests for obvious reasons, what is a good study for that are studies which compare trans in countries where treatment is available vs where it's unavailable as well as compare suicide attempts of those before transitioning to suicide attempts of that same cohort after transitioning

of those studies, which many have already been shared and discussed in this thread, it's very clear that there is no difference whatsoever in the rates at which trans attempt suicide before or after transition and also no difference between trans in countries where transitions are embraced vs those where it is not allowed at all

I pointed this out too. Why are they so dishonest? I don't get it. They accuse us of not reading the reports and then when you do you realize they're just straight up liars.

i've shared it before but at least it used to be the overwhelming majority of boob jobs on minors was under that umbrella

breast deformities are quite common

i mean the main takeaway here, and i would hope you would notice and agree here

is that you're just kind of winging it with assumptions

you see 35k and go with that number and i'm pretty sure you didn't read it because the actual number was 1.6k which is not a small difference at all

you also confidently stated very few boob jobs are anything but cosmetic where you could have just spent 10 seconds using google to confirm that assumption before posting it

it just feels like a classic case of confirmation bias, you have an idea that you know must be true, so you search for a study and then don't bother to read it because you were focused on the critique of "sample size" so you see 35k and figure "got em" and then just continue that with your boob job assumption as well

People who got lobotomies self reported quality of life improvement back in the day. Science!

furthermore, people are ashamed of things and like to hide it

if someone is outed as having a boob job, they are very unlikely to then add to the embarrassment by disclosing that they had deformed titties as well and instead opt to just leave it as boob job

when i had surgery on my undescended testicle, i told everyone i missed school due to pancreatis

i wouldn't ever disclose that growing up because you naturally fear what people may think if you know you had something like that wrong with you

it wasn't until i was well into adulthood that i no longer thought of it as something shameful, but i know for a fact that most men who had the procedure still do keep it under wraps since 2% of the male population have had this same surgery yet in my entire life i've only met one other person who i knew had it - yes, a lot of that is simply no good reason to bring it up but fact remains that most of us personally had a friend who had the same surgery growing up but also thought their buddy rick had pancreatis or something else

Sorry I don’t really follow this thread but I got 1 simple question .
Especially for kids below like 16 years old .

Why would the mind be more right then the body to decide which gender people belong to ?
The mind been known to be wrong in many instances due to faulty or erroneous chemical in the brain for example .
Maybe environmental poisoning (example mercury , lithium , w.e near a house exposing kids for years ?)
Etc .

How could anyone say the mind of a 10 years old would be more right than what everything else says he isn’t , knowing full well that his development as human is half completed yet ?

Who knows what natural chemical could changes in his brain 3 years later at 13 years old for example , reverting him/her back to a return of a better symbiotic relationship with his body he had at birth ?

It just seem to Me the idea of trans is fine but not at the age people Suggesting ….

16 seems like a good age to start medically transitioning, if needed.

But 10 year old would just be social transition. So I would defer to doctors on whether it was appropriate or not.