Minimum Raise With A Straddle

to address "incomplete raises" my casino uses the "difference raise rule"

example:
shorty (175 bb stack) openraises to 20 bb, hero 3bets to 100 bb and someone coldcalls his 3bet (100 bb).

folds to shorty, who puts in his stack (total 175 bb) ==> this raise is incomplete, because the minimum amount is 180 bb (initial 100 bb from 3bet + difference between openraise and 3bet (100 bb - 20 bb = 80 bb).

now consider a $6 straddle in a $1-$3 game. why the heck is the minimum amount for an openraise $10? from my understanding it should be 6 + (6-3) = 9. somebody told me that i have to add the small blind of 1, is this right? sounds odd to me to add dead money into the equation.

It's either $9 or $12 if the straddle is treated as a 3rd blind.
$10 doesn't make sense.

Not saying this is correct but most rooms I play in the min will be $12. The other no4mal choice as mentioned would be $9. But certainly your room can have its own unique rule. Just don’t expect to find their reason why here.

The only thing that might make sense, but not really a nd unlikely or you would have shared, is that other than blinds, $1 chips don’t play. Normally in such a game the straddle would be $10. But again, their room their rules.

Yes, another 'it depends' moment ..

Does the Room define a Straddle as a 3rd Blind or 'Raise with Option'?

IMO Rooms should lean towards RWO for two/three reasons ..

1) If you call it a 3rd Blind then it should be the minimum bet for the entire hand, not just the Pre-Flop betting round.

2A) How can you have a Blind on the Button or other, as with The Rock games?

2B) As is already in place in the Rooms that allow them, you need clearly defined rules in place for The Rock, Mississippi and Sleeper Straddle.

You certainly could have a 'special' rule in place for PF action that stipulates a min raise has to be equal to or more than an increment of the Straddle amount.

We have a Room near us that allows for a Straddle of up to 50% of your stack .. so the Straddler 'can' actually raise. This circumvents any issues with Blind OOT betting. GL

PS .. I'm glad my opinion on this hasn't changed from my 1st answer.

didnt know that. so it's called 3rd blind if postflop minbets become the size of the straddle?

this is not the case in my casino. in a straddled hand you could still bet 3 postflop.

so the straddle is raise with option, but does that lead to min-opens of 10?

it seems to me that the management in my casino has no clue about poker.

also the dealer have different skill levels, so they all tell you something different lol.

fortunately, there has not yet been any stress because of this, because i'm the only one who seems to be trying to figure it out.

It's entirely possible your room management has no clue, but this issue (is a straddle a 3rd blind or a raise with option) is one that has no standard across rooms, so it's not really good evidence of that fact. Basically, as long as your room has a policy and is consistent about it, that's all you can ask for. And, to be fair, min raising a straddle is a goofy play to begin with.

TDA has no rule on it, since it's primarily a tournament ruleset where you can't straddle.

RRoP does have a rule, so you can start there, but it's old and some parts of what is has to say about straddles are definitely not followed by many rooms, so it's not really definitive or authoritative even there:

Uhh, straddling is allowed in most limit games in most rooms that allow straddling.

Many rooms now allow straddling from positions other than UTG, and allow it for variable sizes too. Some rooms allow re-straddling.

This does say it's a new minimum bring in. Which means that it is the size of the minimum bet on all streets. (Assuming you follow that part of the rule.)

So again, if you decide you want to follow this part of RRoP, then the straddle sets a bringin , which means that it is the new minimum bet or raise. So it is more like a 3rd blind than it is a raise with option.

Except if you are playing limit in which case, basically treat it as a raise with an option that increases the bet capping amount by n+1

At some places.

Triton Poker Series: Cash Game Invitational I - Day 7:

https://www.youtube.com/live/v-GnCXfP4sI...

@8:35:45

xuan 3bets to 55k and mateos 4bets to 170k, xuan then 5bets to 280k.

is this 5bet size valid? from my understanding the minimum raise size should be 170k + (170-55)k = 285k.

You are correct (assuming you quoted the amounts correctly; I did not watch the video to confirm). The 4 bet was a raise of 115K. The min 5 bet amount should have been 115K more than the 170K of the 4 bet, which indeed is 285K. I suspect either nobody noticed or they did and just didn’t think it was significant enough to question, and the result was action offered and accepted, so the illegal raise stood.