Bottom Boat, go for max value? Or is that value owning ourselves?
5/10 NLHE .
Eff stack ~2K.
Villain (UTG+1) is relatively new to the table, no significant reads but I've seen him before at these stakes. Seems to be a capable, thinking player. Young-middle aged asian guy.
UTG limps
Villain raises to 50 UTG+1
Hero calls with 2♣2♥ in CO.
SB calls.
BB folds.
Limper folds.
Flop (3 ways): A♠J♦2♠
Pot 165
SB checks.
Villain (UTG+1) checks.
Hero (CO) bets 55.
Button calls.
Villain raises to 300.
Hero calls.
Button folds.
Turn: A♥
Pot 820
Villain bets 400.
Hero calls.
River: 3♠
Pot 1620
Villain thinks for a long time and bets 500. He leaves 800 behind.
Hero?
Now, I know I'm pretty much never folding here... but can we raise? Is there any value in raising for the remaining 800? A lone Ace is probably just going to fold given that the flush comes in. Is that giving Villain too much credit given the relative size of the pot? On top of that, several hands actually have us beat that are plausible, including:
- (1) AA
- (3) JJ
- (6) AJ
- (1) A♦2♦
- (1) 4♠5♠
However, I feel most of these hands shove the river themselves rather than bet 500. It is just strange. A flush draw played this way would be pretty damn aggressive (maybe K♠Q♠ or K♠T♠? or the 4♠5♠ which we mentioned we lose to)
It feels nitty to not shove here, but I'm not too sure we're getting called by worse.
What are your thoughts?
Spoiler
If it wasn't obvious from my rationale above, I called. Didn't get a reveal as villain mucked quickly. Hero takes down the pot but is left wondering if he left $800 on the table.
6 Replies
I’m just calling. I don’t see anything that you beat calling a raise here. I think you got max value.
He check raised a lone ace? And bet into a flush? Play is consistent with AJ. I'd fold before I raised.
Fold pre
I just call the river. I can't imagine he calls w/ worse, even w/ only $800 behind. Hand is played fine otherwise, I think.
Don't raise the river, you are very often behind and when you're not, most of the hands you beat won't call a raise.
Preflop is marginal. Flop sizing is perhaps the most interesting question, I prefer larger but interested in other opinions
Pretty easy fold pre, might call if opponent is an absolute whale and will stack off infinite bbs with top pair. Otherwise you’re just burning money trying to set mine long term not to mention the occasional set over set which will be a disaster.
As for the hand, just call
Just read the spoilers: you showed first and he mucked or he just mucked without you showing?
