Commerce 40 - FS3B

When u say it’s the last $ u put in it means u fold if he cap or donk the river HU when sb fold ?

Seem a bad idea vs spazzy guy to fold tight ?

I would fold to a 4bet - I am pretty confident I am drawing dead to any hand he would 4bet. If he donks the river it would depend on the card but I would certainly fold many of them.

Ok but i don’t understand what a bad spazzy means then if u fold a hand using this line .
To me it means gives to much action with hands he shouldn’t and yet u fold a strong hand vs that kind of player shrug .

What hands are you hoping the SB will fold?

I have really mixed feelings on this one. The adage that fsdr is bad doesn’t apply multi-way?

If I raised here (and I might) it would be for value and I’d bet a lot of rivers.

The idea to do it to get the sb to fold is good in theory but meh in reality.

You say he’s aggressive but hasn’t put in any action? Any hand that has a draw - a 7 or a turned fd or a flipped fd - ain’t folding. So you are really only folding out worse tens or whatever they have like 5 outs that may fold to the c/r anyway.

The c/r line here I find is rarely for value and often a combo draw but super player dependent. This combined with the fact that you can get donked into on the river makes me just want to show down cheaply

I'd just call the raise on the turn. I really don't like a plan that involves folding to further action in such a large pot, especially from a spazzy player. I'd just plan to call down barring a 9, 7, or 4 coming,

So I've played with SB before and he is legitimately aggro and bluffy (I called him down on a K85T9 board with 5x and won earlier in the session). In a pot of this size I think he is getting close to correct odds to draw with a 5 outer or a pair+GS type hand so I'd love to get him to fold those hands. In a HU pot I would just call the turn check raise and call most river cards, but in a multiway pot of this size I just thought there was some real value in trying to force the third guy out.

you played it perfect w good reason

To be clear , u dont just like the raise on turn ?
U agree it’s a bet/fold and if his been called , u wouldn’t bet the river or you fold to a river donk ?

I dont mind 3b/f against this sort of player as discribe. Riv blank would be interesting I do see some guy cr w T9s/T7s and do cry call but live not sure. I would always call a donk except if riv make it straight. If people are capable of randomness I would stick to default strategy. Their randomness will bleed ev. While against people you have a good understanding of their strategy you make money by playing exploitative.

Thx

You'd fold to a 4B getting 14.5-1?

I don't think a 4 bet is a bluff but it might be a draw. Assuming the flush draw is hearts, if his hand range is 88/66/97s/A7h/87h/76h, headsup on turn you would have 13.5% equity (6-1), so enough equity to call twice profitably.

I'd call and only think about folding a 9, 4 or flush river. But full disclosure, I haven't played LHE in more than 5 years and only remember one of my prior rules from when I played regularly, "never fold for one bet in big pots headsup".