Detecting Bots: Uncovering Insights from GGPoker Data Analysis
This report exists solely thanks to datamaning and mass data analysys (MDA)
I have examined cash games on GGPoker over the past six months and conducted an analysis of bots based on the y2da report. I have identified 15 bots (11 inactive and 4 active).
Results:
What Identifies Them as Bots:
1) The combination of WWSF and WaSD is remarkable. These statistics are unusually high, which is challenging for humans to achieve. Currently, it's rare to find a regular player with this combination.
2) Their 58% WaSD suggests that their checking ranges out of position (OOP) on the river are strong enough to win at showdowns when opponents check behind, with an average fold rate of 47% against bets afterward. Most human players have higher fold rates.
Check OOP River Total (1x1 Pot)
3) Their construction of a C-betting range on the flop implies weaker ranges in larger bet sizings, leading to higher fold rates (around 50-55%) versus check-raises after C-bets between 45-90% of the pot.
4) In single raised pot (SRP) scenarios, their C-bet sizing in three-way pots does not fall below 40% when facing at least one opponent in position against them. However, this detail was omitted from their solution but may be included in future updates.
SRP Raiser Cbet 3-Way Pot vs OOP/OOP (SB+BB) - Small Betsizing exist
SRP Raiser Cbet 3-Way Pot vs IP/OOP (IP+SB/BB) - Small Betsizing does not exist
SRP Raiser Cbet 3-Way Pot vs IP/IP - Small Betsizing does not exist
**** happens that they forgot to write it into the solution, probably add it in the future.
5) Their winnings graph shows a minor downturn occurring between January 9-16.
During this period, they experienced significant losses and played many random hands, which is improbable for a skilled regular player with such a graph.
For a detailed mathematical proof, refer to the link provided.
https://mega.nz/file/Mj5gmJwB#KJigZvfPzm...
You can also access hands played by the bots to verify and develop methods for detecting them in the future.
https://mega.nz/file/YqAW2aDI#3dPlzTuEee...
I am sharing this work to illustrate the importance of openly disseminating data about the game and the advantages of employing specialists in poker big data analysis. While some consider poker player education schools detrimental to the gaming ecosystem, they also produce data scientists. Following my reports on bots in the Winning Poker Network (WPN), independent teams have emerged to detect and report them, thereby fostering fairer gameplay. I hope this trend continues, with more teams working to identify cheaters at the tables. I will continue conducting research and posting findings on suspicious cases on GGPoker to contribute to a more transparent and fair gaming environment.
There can be no fair game when crucial information is concealed.
This is kind of genius ngl
I am poor Estonian bumhunter rat. So, my honey, no money! 😃
But being serious. No other way to import these hands into PT4?
Also, I am the only one, who noticed that "DeadMansHand8" (player who mentioned 1st post) have played more than 500K hands in one year (probably more because of datamine not collecting 100% hands) before caught?
Top winning and top active reg, and GGPoker security didnt notice?
Hey guys,
We got a new batch of bots operating in GG games, I suspect these are from the same creator as the previous ones that I reported a few months back and got them banned.
Strategy is modified a little bit, but a lot of characteristics are somewhat same - exploiting the positivity of the playing pools, adjusting sizing pre/post based on the lineups, etc.
I currently play 200/500 and meet these bots only on NL200, but I see them playing at NL100 too. If any of you guys, are playing NL100 and see the same statistics as these bots have from other players, report them here and we will try to get rid of them, again...
I'm not going to give an extensive list of stats, you can check them yourself, just some key characteristics.
Current list:
These accounts are all active from 2024/07 and have put decent samples each ~30-60k+ hands.
From these stats, the most funny adjustment this time is BB 3Bet vs SB Open which is around 40% 😃
Flags that these accounts have Kazakhstan, Moldova, Norway.
Yesterday I played the evening session and both these bots were active: Xagyjy, Lab 77
They started glitching with their stack top-up function. Here are a few photos of that.
It is of course very frustrating, as they appear again and again and also they are very profitable (Their current average EV/BB 100 is like 8) and when GG bans them there is no compensation for players who played with them. So they hurt games massively for regulars & recreational.
Anyways, please do share this so we can get rid of them ASAP also check your limits for these statistical characteristics and if you found something post here.
EDIT:
Couple other bots:
teraboliss
SimpolDimpl
Garm0nika
All have the same stats as the bots above.
here is my list
Hey guys,
We got a new batch of bots operating in GG games, I suspect these are from the same creator as the previous ones that I reported a few months back and got them banned.
Strategy is modified a little bit, but a lot of characteristics are somewhat same - exploiting the positivity of the playing pools, adjusting sizing pre/post based on the lineups, etc.
I currently play 200/500 and meet these bots only on NL200, but I see them playi
When you email this info to GG, what do they do with it? Seems like bot operators wouldn’t be willing to get all accounts banned simultaneously too may times before they gave up. I assume GG just doesn’t reply?
i sent my list to GG security 3 months ago it looks like they got banned, but we got 0 refunds so there is no point to report it, they just create new accounts and GG will refund 0
i sent my list to GG security 3 months ago it looks like they got banned, but we got 0 refunds so there is no point to report it, they just create new accounts and GG will refund 0
Hopefully at least the account funds get confiscated - which lowers the EV of running the operation and hence discourages it
i sent my list to GG security 3 months ago it looks like they got banned, but we got 0 refunds so there is no point to report it, they just create new accounts and GG will refund 0
There is a point, the bot operators will eventually stop operating. Ppl need to put pressure on GG via social media to start refunding though
imaging playing losing money to botfarm after botfarm and never getting a single refund
how the **** is this the biggest room there is
Does GG Poker just take the bot winnings, or do they have to payout the culprit when they ban?
Both seem crazy.
PokerStars had a few issues back in the day, but GG Poker is just on a whole nother level.
It seems they banned the reported bots, as I haven't encountered any of the reported accounts for ~4 days now.
Answering the question about bot winnings -> It seems that they keep confiscated $ for themselves. This is third wave of bot farm that I encounter and I have played thousands of hands with them, over this period. I haven't received any compensations when they get banned, nor the email from GG reporting the issue.
It seems they banned the reported bots, as I haven't encountered any of the reported accounts for ~4 days now.
Answering the question about bot winnings -> It seems that they keep confiscated $ for themselves. This is third wave of bot farm that I encounter and I have played thousands of hands with them, over this period. I haven't received any compensations when they get banned, nor the email from GG reporting the issue.
It's changeable that they've just seen these threads and swapped accounts. Public reporting is great for transparency, but is transparent to the perpetrators themselves.
No, you can change screen name, but others still can see previous screen names. So these accounts are getting banned.
What I mean is that if I see my bot network account has been caught out, I just load up another batch of accounts on false ID with disposable cards, and run the software on these new accounts. Take money off the old ones before confiscated and re-invest. It can't be said for certain that they've been banned, they've just stopped playing.
Thanks for this.
It seems they banned the reported bots, as I haven't encountered any of the reported accounts for ~4 days now.
Answering the question about bot winnings -> It seems that they keep confiscated $ for themselves. This is third wave of bot farm that I encounter and I have played thousands of hands with them, over this period. I haven't received any compensations when they get banned, nor the email from GG reporting the issue.
No Refunds AFAIK - They probably ban you for uncovering Bots with mined HHs before they refund anything^^
those infinity BB vs SB 3Bet Bots are on IPoker too
while i agree that public disclosure does warn the perps, it's a far better solution than keeping it quiet
metaga1 and SimpolDimpl
These one look very suspicious to me. Both active.
