Set of Kings with NFD on flop

Set of Kings with NFD on flop

Hi all,

This hand is against a player (the BB) i marked as being very good, but had no clear notes otherwise.

I am on the BTN with KsKhQd2s2h, so double suited Kings with a pair of ducks and a Q.

Everyone folds to me. I open pot, SB folds, BB calls. Both me and BB have around 100bb.

Flop:
As4sKc

He checks, I pot, he reraises pot. I just got it in, thinking that worst case against Aces i am 38%, but against absolutely anything else i am way ahead.

He showed up with AA and it held twice.

What is the correct play here against a solid player? At these stakes against many of the fish this could be +EV as people stack off with two pair, some wraps, even worse FD and some back up.

Before gathering more notes on a good player, is it ever normal to assume he always has AA?

Thanks for any help!

02 July 2024 at 09:06 AM
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Generally when a solid player is going to stack off here, and you hold what you hold, I would expect them to have AAA. They don't have KKK, or any sort of combo drawing including the NFD.


I only play four card PLO but I'm finding in my games with a $5 big blind and $10 straddles commonplace that many players have learned not to three bet out of position with their weaker aces unless they can get a stack to pot ratio of about 1.5 to 1 or less. In this case his three bet would leave a SPR much greater so aces have to be considered since he didn't three bet before the flop.

That said with second set and the nut flush draw against one opponent you are often getting all the money in here. Playing much deeper you might slow things down a bit (first by just calling the check raise before the flop).


thank you both!

so re-raising flop is definitely not good, i think the first c bet is fine, perhaps smaller size than pot?

And against a reraise just call? I think it would be very weak to just instantly let it go


I don't think there's much you can do here - it does suck in a sense that you block nut spades, but I would think most AA combos 3bet at 100 bb. Even vs bare AA you have something like 40% equity here, so the top of his range isn't crushing you, and there's a ton of 2pr/44+ draws that maybe he gets aggressive with.


Don’t pot flop, we want to keep him in, not get him out.


by OmahaDonk P

Don’t pot flop, we want to keep him in, not get him out.

i think against a competent player definitely you want him to continue with worse and not fold out draws, but today just a few hours after this hand I was against a typical fish at these stakes, where I had AA on A83 flop and he called pot sized bets on flop and turn, holding 98543 (no FD, no BDFD) and rivered a 2 to make a straight. He had only 4 outs all the way, or maybe in his head he thought he has 2 pair and perhaps i have only one A and some high side cards.

What I mean is that so many players stack off with really really bad hands, so having second set and NFD is usually very very good, especially with no straights possible. So getting the money in on the flop against the typical recreational player is the way to print. I think I made a big mistake not taking into account the note i had on the opponent being a good player and proceed with caution - to be honest i was probably not being concentrated enough and acted just on instinct.


by OmahaDonk P

Don’t pot flop, we want to keep him in, not get him out.

yeh I agree, esp when we block two pair/flush draw.


Only mistake here was potting flop imo. Stacking off on flop is not only fine but I'd be happyt o stack off here 200% of the time unless I'm playing grandma who hasn't put more money in the pot since the 60s. Yes we obviously run into AA a chunk but we're not playing vs the one hand that beats us. We're playing vs their range. Vs their range we're pushing equity, not behind.

Not really finding a reason to just call vs his x/r other than keeping the parts of his range that folds to a 3b but usually players will size down w/ this part of their range and pot their value gii parts.

I probably wouldn't do it but you could even consider checking back flop given you're top of range and block heaps of villains continues. Maybe would toss this in once in a blue moon vs a super aggro player. But ya in general cbet for 50% on unpaired flops. This allows us to leverage bluffs to value and keeps the SPR high IP which benefits us greatly on future streets.


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