TPGK OTT in 3BP

TPGK OTT in 3BP

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NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($200.35) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.2% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.2% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 315375]
SB ($207.90) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 42.1% | Hands: 91]
BB ($240.25) [VPIP: 36.7% | PFR: 27.5% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 112]
HJ ($203) [VPIP: 33% | PFR: 24.8% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 112]
CO ($197) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 36.4% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 11]

Dealt to Hero: K Q

HJ Folds, CO Raises To $4, HERO Raises To $16, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $12

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.17 effective]
Flop ($35): 4 2 K
CO Checks, HERO Bets $8.31 (Rem. Stack: $176.04), CO Calls $8.31 (Rem. Stack: $172.69)

Turn ($51.62): 4 2 K 9
CO Checks, HERO Bets $36.78 (Rem. Stack: $139.26), CO Raises To $104.08 (Rem. Stack: $68.61), HERO ?

02 February 2024 at 04:53 AM
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yea i fold.


I doubt he would be check -raising kj, kt here.

It's possible he turns a flush draw in a bluff, but I think turn xr are mostly value orientated.
Ak, k9 , trips.
Maybe kx diamonds for a combo draw.


Why are you 4x IP?


by DeeKayBee P

Why are you 4x IP?

its a DDP experiment where he flipz da script


Call & evaluate river


by Unsporting P

Call & evaluate river


Only aprox 20bb behind after making the call.
On a 130bb pot.
Nor much to re-evaluate then.


by Count Nelson P

Only aprox 20bb behind after making the call.



70bb almost, but kinda agree.


Those aren’t reasons to fold turn


Im calling and expecting to see something like JTdd, QJdd, maybe 65dd, maybe some of the other JT and QJ like spades/hearts too.

Otherwise he has to have exactly 99.

Were you actually villain here?


Fold


by YanasaurBBQ P

Im calling and expecting to see something like JTdd, QJdd, maybe 65dd, maybe some of the other JT and QJ like spades/hearts too.

Otherwise he has to have exactly 99.

Were you actually villain here?

No this is a real hand 😀

So you're not worried about 44/22?


by Unsporting P

Those aren’t reasons to fold turn

What rivers are you folding if you call and he jams OTR?


by Unsporting P

Those aren’t reasons to fold turn

Ofc, IMO All-in better then call and call is better then fold. Just saying that we should put the rest of 35bb into the pot to get draws to call.


by DooDooPoker P

What rivers are you folding if you call and he jams OTR?

Diamonds. If we have Kd it’s interesting though.

A also gets close


by Unsporting P

Diamonds. If we have Kd it’s interesting though.

A also gets close

I actually don't know the correct answer here but don't you think Villain's bluffing frequencies will be drastically reduced if he misses OTR? Especially if he blocks my folding range?


by DooDooPoker P

No this is a real hand 😀

So you're not worried about 44/22?

If hes a fish maybe, but i dont expect a reg to call 44 and 22 oop to such a 4x 3bet, but i guess its possible.


by YanasaurBBQ P

If hes a fish maybe, but i dont expect a reg to call 44 and 22 oop to such a 4x 3bet, but i guess its possible.

So in a solver, 22 is a more of a call than 66-88 when you compare preflop EV's (because of blocker effects). Just something to think about that's pretty cool, most villain's probably aren't aware of this though.



by DooDooPoker P

I actually don't know the correct answer here but don't you think Villain's bluffing frequencies will be drastically reduced if he misses OTR? Especially if he blocks my folding range?

Neither do I man.

I do think we see give ups a bit

I don’t know if a broken stack is considering your folding range.

Another can of worms I guess is if a fish overbuffs when a diamond hits


I thought the low pairs called 3bets more often because they aren't being opened at 100%


by DooDooPoker P

So in a solver, 22 is a more of a call than 66-88 when you compare preflop EV's (because of blocker effects). Just something to think about that's pretty cool, most villain's probably aren't aware of this though.


Does it make sense to call it oop though vs a 4x 3bet even if solver says? I dont think it makes sense to call those low pairs bc we arent going to always get paid if we hit the set, population usually isnt 3betting as wide as the solver, and we cant play perfectly oop w the low pair like the solver can. I would think its a money torch to play those hands in this situation.

But yea if we give villain those hands then thats what makes the most sense for his line.


by newguyhere P

I thought the low pairs called 3bets more often because they aren't being opened at 100%

Real life players probably are opening 100% of low pairs from CO, many opening them 100% UTG too


by newguyhere P

I thought the low pairs called 3bets more often because they aren't being opened at 100%

I think it's because you want your opponent to have the weakest hands in his 3betting range so suited connectors like 87s/76s etc.

If what you are saying is true, there should be almost no difference in EV between 22 and 33 since they are both opened at very similar frequencies. Except 33 blocks A3s so it has lower EV.


I'd expect bluffs to jam instead of use an awkward size on a board that doesn't have so many draws.


by AskZandar P

I'd expect bluffs to jam instead of use an awkward size on a board that doesn't have so many draws.

So you fold? Are you folding AK/AA as well?


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