ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
The objection is not really about drumming up false charges. It's about selectively pursuing valid charges that were usually ignored or handled differently.
Argue the rights and wrongs all we like but we're going to see many politicians (and their families) pursued intensley more and more over matters that would have been igored in the past. It is politcally motivated. It will also extend to situations where they are found innocent - doesn't matter as in the usa the process is the punishment.
Yeah, he did it. But who cares?
-MAGA
That's a very different point.
but who cares?
it might very well be the case that there is no case, but given prosecutors would be from the DOJ, are you really asking why Biden DOJ wouldnt prosecute people who allegedly helped Biden get elected lol.
if trump had won in 2020 he wouldn't have been prosecuted for alleged federal crimes related to Jan 6 or mar a Lago documents
Trump been prosecuted because after MANY attempts to retrieve documents he still lied he didn’t had any while he knew had them .
Trump would never had any problems if he would if just COMPLY to give back those documents that belong to The United States government…. Not his !
Get your story straight …
Gorge, I think most people who don’t wake up thinking about how much they hate trump everyday would prefer to see a country that either punishes all politicians for all serious crimes or a country that punishes no politicians for any serious crimes.
In the country we currently live we are seeing both sides try to illegally change the will of the people with trump being losely tied to a group of 1k unarmed people who broke into a govt
How is hunter Biden have anything to do with the will of the people for electing a president????
And if u try to imply Joe had anything to do with it , all witnesses admitted they lied and had not a shred of proof of anything .
Is the sky still blue in your world ?
And again , Biden is a mastermind in controlling the swamp , DOJ,FBI,etc while at the same time being a senile old man not knowing where he his half the time simultaneously ???
U can’t have it both ways !
Do you have any kind of logicical brain cell left in your head ?
Does he still have two more trials on deck, the GA one and the classified documents? Asking sincerely. That will wear down any man, let alone a dumpy geezer like him. He already looks like ass tbh. Definitely looking rough in his post-court screeds.
It looks like 5 total, as of today. I guess some other charges might come later lol wire fraud for his campaign fundraising and endless legal expenses
What's even the defense in the GA case? There is tape....so is it just straight "it's legal for the president to tell election officials to rig an election for him"?
it might very well be the case that there is no case, but given prosecutors would be from the DOJ, are you really asking why Biden DOJ wouldnt prosecute people who allegedly helped Biden get elected lol.
if trump had won in 2020 he wouldn't have been prosecuted for alleged federal crimes related to Jan 6 or mar a Lago documents
I don't think the Biden administration would necessarily be the one to prosecute. Most of Trump's charges have not been from there.
The objection is not really about drumming up false charges. It's about selectively pursuing valid charges that were usually ignored or handled differently.
Argue the rights and wrongs all we like but we're going to see many politicians (and their families) pursued intensley more and more over matters that would have been igored in the past. It is politcally motivated. It will also extend to situations where they are found innocent - doesn'
Sounds good to me! I would prefer to have fewer corrupt politicians.
What's even the defense in the GA case? There is tape....so is it just straight "it's legal for the president to tell election officials to rig an election for him"?
I have always figured that he would claim to have meant there really were lots of his votes that got misplaced and could be found.
He did ask them nicely.
Except that he didn't tell them to do that at all. Why do people like you lie so much?
You're actually right, he only wanted him to "find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …".
Anyone who reads this GA call transcript and sees anything but election interference simply isn't a serious person.
You're actually right, he only wanted him to "find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …".
Anyone who reads this GA call transcript and sees anything but election interference simply isn't a serious person.
Not exactly. Here are the exact words from the transcript.
"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …"
Note, he says "I want to find 11,780 votes". He doesn't say " I want you to manufacture votes out of thin air". So that could mean anything. Maybe he thinks some votes went missing or weren't counted. Who knows?
So, no I wouldn't say that reaches the threshold of election interference. Not even close. It's just a request to find some missing votes.
Not exactly. Here are the exact words from the transcript.
"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have Â…"
Note, he says "I want to find 11,780 votes". He doesn't say " I want you to manufacture votes out of thin air". So that could mean anything. Maybe he thinks some votes went missing or weren't counted. Who knows?
So, no I wouldn't say that reaches the threshold of election interferenc
And you think trump is stupid enough in thinking to ask like that ?
Lol.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/110647286...
POLITICS
Arizona lawmaker Rusty Bowers details the pressure put on him by Trump and Giuliani
Notably, Trump had already been told repeatedly by top Justice Department officials that his claims about widespread voter fraud in Georgia — the claims he would go on to make in the 67-minute phone call with Raffensperger— were completely false. And Georgia had already investigated those claims, found none, and certified its election results.
When Raffensperger told Trump on the call that his investigators hadn't found proof supporting his claims, the former president said "they're either dishonest or incompetent.
After a recount, Cuellar edges Cisneros in a closely watched Texas Democratic primary
ELECTIONS
After a recount, Cuellar edges Cisneros in a closely watched Texas Democratic primary
Trump asked Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won this state."
"What I knew is that we didn't have any votes to find," Raffensperger said. "That was an accurate count that had been certified."
Trump suggested Raffensperger could be subject to criminal liability for his role in the matter.
Schiff pointed to a tweet from pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood from a few weeks before the phone call, saying that Trump gave Raffensperger and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp "every chance to get it right."
"They refused. They will soon be going to jail," Wood wrote. Trump retweeted that tweet.
On the phone with Raffensperger, Trump said that submitting shredded and unsigned ballots would be "more illegal for you than it is is for [the people doing so], because you know what they did and you're not reporting it."
He went on to call it a criminal offense and a big risk.
Later, after Raffensperger had denied the fraud allegations, Trump said he thought it was "dangerous for you to say that."
Trump went on to repeat those claims in his Jan. 6 speech at the Ellipse.
Despite the evidence to the contrary, Trump repeated claims of widespread voter fraud in Georgia during his public address on Jan. 6, putting Raffensperger and his family in even more danger.
You're actually right, he only wanted him to "find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …".
Anyone who reads this GA call transcript and sees anything but election interference simply isn't a serious person.
And I’m not sure Trump’s state of mind matters. Even if we grant that he is dumb, insane and mentally incompetent enough to believe he genuinely won, he still has to follow the law to challenge. Not secretly ask the final election certification authorities to bypass the courts and all other election officials to illegally give him the election.
Seems like the cleanest defense is like with Zelensky call…just say it’s fine to bribe/ arbitrarily ask for enough votes to win etc.
Jesus, Biden is starting to look like Richard Lewis did in the final season of Curb.
The movements. The skin. The speech.
Hang in there, bud. You only gotta fight of the grim reaper for 9 more months.
And I’m not sure Trump’s state of mind matters. Even if we grant that he is dumb, insane and mentally incompetent enough to believe he genuinely won, he still has to follow the law to challenge. Not secretly ask the final election certification authorities to bypass the courts and all other election officials to illegally give him the election.
Seems like the cleanest defense is like with Zelensky call…just say it’s fine to bribe/ arbitrari
Yet your OK with Biden bribing the government to fire a prosecutor
Except that didn't happen. This is the constant problem... you have an entire network of people making up absurd false realities, while they continually try and create the appearance of false equivalences, so it appears "both sides" are doing the same thing. But they aren't.
Serious question... does history repeat? If so, at what point in the historical cycle are we right now?
Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases
Published 4:00 a.m. ET Oct. 3, 2019 Updated 12:26 p.m. ET Nov. 15, 2019 (source: congress.gov)
WASHINGTON – A whistleblower complaint centering on President Donald Trump's phone
call with the Ukrainian president has spurred a number of allegations and counterallegations
as Republicans and Democrats jockey for position amid an impeachment inquiry.
At the heart of Congress' probe into the president's actions is his claim that former Vice
President and 2020 Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian
government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied
to his son, Hunter Biden.
But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption
advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason
Trump and his allies claim.
It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it
was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to
a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and
Europe.
Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his
removal by Ukraine's parliament. Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary
Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria
Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.
Except that didn't happen. This is the constant problem... you have an entire network of people making up absurd false realities, while they continually try and create the appearance of false equivalences, so it appears "both sides" are doing the same thing. But they aren't.
Serious question... does history repeat? If so, at what point in the historical cycle are we right now?
Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because
Biden clearly brags about the fact he would not give Ukraine a billion $$ in loan guarantees unless they fire the prosecutor a clear bribe
at the 1:01 mark
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