ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
I’m glad Lucario has abandoned pretense and decide to go full…whatever the **** this is
When was it the last time thousands of rightwing people caused a riot? Because we literally only have Jan 6 in almost 80 years.
BLM alone caused more than 100 riots.
Caused?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ign...
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/riots...
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/...
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2...
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/hou...
https://news.yahoo.com/white-supremacist...
Exactly. That's the cultural conservative mindset. I don't agree with you on Trump so even something as dry as straight math or coding that works that I produce must be bullshit. I'm a regular person. You can think Trump is the greatest president ever and if you do some correct math or write code that works the math is still correct and the code still works. That's precisely why I could be a juror on the Trump trial.
It’s beyond absurdist bullshit that because your typical MAGA would absolve trump of anything on a jury even if they watched a literal snuff film of him murdering another human being that must mean everyone who isn’t MAGA will blindly assume trump is guilty of anything
A president by default is an extremely polarizing human being. This is the first time a president has faced a criminal jury trial. Nothing about this is simple to navigate
Fine but that’s the 1% I was promised belongs to the right. I’m sure Cornholio will be able to easily produce 99x those links in leftist rioting
Right. And in order to reach that sort of conclusion, you have to come up with some definition of leftist that is broad enough to capture the Timothy McVeighs of the world.
Not really no. Students, unions, racial riots were all leftists in the USA and elsewhere and that's not even controversial as a statement.
Which riots did the right do?
This is wiki "incidents of unrest" 1946-66, 2 were rightwing (and minimal actual damage to people or property)
Do you want to go through 1966-2024?
The "long hot summer" was 159 violent leftist riots in 1967.
I mean, how the ****ing **** can you not agree with the statement that the vast majority of political violence post WW2 in the USA was clearly, adamantly, based on leftist ideology ?
So if the average number of violent crimes in the United States over the last 100 years is X per 100,000, you are saying that the average during Republican administrations was something like 2X per 100,000, and .5x per 100,000 during Democratic administrations?
That seems highly unlikely to me because crime rates simply aren't that volatile. (Also, it would be a mathematical impossibility if there were an equal number of Republican and Demo
https://newrepublic.com/article/180829/c...
There's links to the study in the article. It's pretty straight forward data honestly.
You know the race riots in the 40s and 50s were white people attacking black people right?
Exactly. That's the cultural conservative mindset. I don't agree with you on Trump so even something as dry as straight math or coding that works that I produce must be bullshit. I'm a regular person. You can think Trump is the greatest president ever and if you do some correct math or write code that works the math is still correct and the code still works. That's precisely why I could be a juror on the Trump trial.
No. You missunderstand what I am saying. I'm not talking about your ability to do math correctly or w/e. I'm commenting on your posting output in this forum which is all I've got to base an opinion on. And my opinion based on that parameter is you are full of ****.
So link number 1) has no confirmation, umbrella man is still unknown afaik and in late 2022 they were still trying to identify him. Even if he was rightwing, the violent people were still leftwing so it wouldn't qualify anyway. Still, you are linking to purported hypotheticals, nothing proven.
2) has no actual list of actual riots done by "accelerationists". Just a long word salad, no actual masses of right wing people doing mass political violence (unlike the many hundreds of such occasions transparently motivated by leftism).
3) is one but identified. If leftist people are so horrible they can be instigated by a single rightwing person, it's still leftist people doing leftist motivated political violence, with the aggravating factor they are ****ing dumb as well, which make them worse human beings, not better ones with excuses
4) and 5) are corroboration of 3).
6) is a single individual again.
Where the **** are the rightwing crowds pillaging for political reasons, like hundred leftist cases that same year?
If your rebuttal is "some people on the right are bad", Yoh need to find 100 crowds of angry rightwing people ravaging neighborhoods just to break even with BLM. Then 800-900 more in the preceding decades to make up with all the other race riots + the unions and students riots
https://newrepublic.com/article/180829/c...
There's links to the study in the article. It's pretty straight forward data honestly.
It's known data that has 0 to do with who is president AND isn't 2x/x0.5 depending on the president party. In fact crime goes down with bush jr., because that was the trend in time.
And crime went up a lot with Johnson but only a very low IQ person would claim that was Johnson fault
I said 99% of political violence was from the left since 1946. There was basically no rightwing political violence. The left had literally thousands of episodes of organized group violence.
I was countered by another poster that a lot of it was violence against property. Yes. Still violence.
When was it the last time thousands of rightwing people caused a riot? Because we literally only have Jan 6 in almost 80 years.
BLM alone caused more than
So now we're talking about riots, or political violence? I have no doubt w/o even looking at the data, that most political rioting has been leftist, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES BEING SUPRESSED.
If you're not suppressed, you have ZERO reason to riot. Not sure why this is difficult to understand.
Do we need to go back to the powerpoint and explain that left wing protests that turned to violence first started with many attempts, over many years, to obtain basic rights peacefully. And when all of those attempts failed, then came riots.
VS
Right wing violence, that just begins and ends in violence.
Don't confuse the two.
But it's hard to take you serious when you say things like this"
"And what you call rightwing pre WW2 like fascism and Nazism was leftist as well."
It's known data that has 0 to do with who is president AND isn't 2x/x0.5 depending on the president party. In fact crime goes down with bush jr., because that was the trend in time.
And crime went up a lot with Johnson but only a very low IQ person would claim that was Johnson fault
?
The data is very straight forward. Look:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
So now we're talking about riots, or political violence? I have no doubt w/o even looking at the data, that most political rioting has been leftist, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES BEING SUPRESSED.
If you're not suppressed, you have ZERO reason to riot. Not sure why this is difficult to understand.
Do we need to go back to the powerpoint and explain that left wing protests that turned to violence first started with many attempts, over many years, t
Politically motivated riots are political violence.
If your legal attempts don't get you what you want you suck it up. You accept it as the democratic will. and wait till you can legally get what you want.
Or you are a violent, anti democratic leftist and use violence. Which you justify because you are eversive as every leftist is deep inside.
The right waited decades to reverse roe and get actual 2a rights confirmed by scotus without needing 500 ****ing violent riots.
So link number 1) has no confirmation, umbrella man is still unknown afaik and in late 2022 they were still trying to identify him. Even if he was rightwing, the violent people were still leftwing so it wouldn't qualify anyway. Still, you are linking to purported hypotheticals, nothing proven.
2) has no actual list of actual riots done by "accelerationists". Just a long word salad, no actual masses of right wing people doing mass political v
ffs
YOU SAID CAUSED YOU BUFFOON. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY, INSTIGATING IS CAUSING.
And newsflash, mashed potato brain, BLM doesn't equal leftist or democratic. Plenty of conservative people attended those rallies. White supremacy is conservative by nature. Opposing police brutality is not.
No. You missunderstand what I am saying. I'm not talking about your ability to do math correctly or w/e. I'm commenting on your posting output in this forum which is all I've got to base an opinion on. And my opinion based on that parameter is you are full of ****.
I'm not misunderstanding. I think I could be an an objective juror because it's rules based and I can apply the rules fairly... I know Trump won in 2016. I honestly don't think you can because you're moron and think Trump won in 2020. It's just the difference in culture between conservatives and normal people.
@Lucion, The rights' approach to seizing the levers of power was more insidious, as they sell you a communist plot.
Good news, all those years of stoic suffering under Roe v Wade, its abolition is gonna see a massive blue wave
Their approach to seizing the levers of power was more insidious.
Good news, all those years of stoic suffering under Roe v Wade, its abolition is gonna see a massive blue wave
If the People want constitutional rights to abortion they can amend the constitution.
And, note, they are doing that in many states. If enough people want to, they can do it for the federal constitution as well.
If the cost of applying the actual law as it is is a blue wave, let's have a blue wave. Roe v Wade was juridical horror, a monstrous decision which invented a right that never existed.
If the People want that right they can get it with the tools provided by the constitution itself.
Roe vs Wade reversal is about SCOTUS not having the right to invent things, not about abortion.
Every decent person should love the idea SCOTUS can't invent stuff, and people on the left should like it more today that SCOTUS is rightwing.
If rightwing judges worked like leftist ones they would have completely warped the fabric of society already with 6 votes. They can literally rule anything as unconstitutional, and invent any number of rights about anything, if they want to and approach the matter as leftists do.
Monstrosity!
Just trying to see the big picture.
Maybe transferring it all to the states will hasten the fracturing
Would be interesting strategery to uh.. relocate enough population as activism, Soros-funded, to get the necessary electoral votes in perpetuity, since you guys haven't won the popular vote in a while lol. Could rustle a lot of people
Just trying to see the big picture.
Maybe transferring it all to the states will hasten the fracturing
Would be interesting strategery to uh.. relocate enough population as activism, Soros-funded, to get the necessary electoral votes in perpetuity, since you guys haven't won the popular vote in a while lol. Could rustle a lot of people
Texas got net internal immigration while California got net emigration since roe was reversed but go on
Sparsely populated states
I was just dropping my daughter off and learned an interesting stat. This was on a top podcast, from a psychologist who has written about the history of violence on the left and the right (how in topic to this thread today 😀 ). They studied violence in America over the last 100 years.
When Republican presidents were elected, violent crime went up over 2x the normal average.
When Democratic presidents were elected, violent crime went down ove
I don’t know about the past 100 years but if we go by recent history it would seem the most violent times we’ve seen is during trump. However, blaming him for the blm riots that were widely supported by dems and almost 0 repubs would be quite the take.
