ex-President Trump

ex-President Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:

a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?

b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by Luciom P

Chile is the richest per capita country in south american after we genocided the communists there, proof enough?

lol... this is pretty funny. I'm sure you had to really search for that one. Ty for the laugh. Pinochet would be rolling over in his grave. But yes, they are privatizing everything, and the IMF has been having great fun out there.


Guess what else is happening? Rapid economic inequality. All prices of previously publically funded industries like education, health care, etc... have been skyrocketing.


Your economic model doesn't work... at least not for most people. You've been conned. I can point to many liberal economies in the world that are highly successful.


by FreakDaddy P

Yes, it was quite close. And what were the economic conditions then, and what caused the economic collapses?

Emmanuel Saez has done some excellent work on this topic using tax record histories over the years. I know he's written a few books on the subject w/ another partner.

Saez is a marxist, inimical to every value i have in life, his all literature production is toxic cancer , he even worked with Piketty, we are taling people on the far left IN EUROPE, people on the left of Sanders, is that your example of a decent human being whose opinion you value? it's utter , complete, disgusting communist trash


by FreakDaddy P

lol... this is pretty funny. I'm sure you had to really search for that one. Ty for the laugh. Pinochet would be rolling over in this grave. But yes, they are privatizing everything, and the IMF has been having great fun out there.


Guess what else is happening? Rapid economic inequality. All prices of previously publically funded industries like education, health care, etc... have been skyrocketing.

Chile is objectively richer than all other south american countries. Which fully denies your idea that rightwing government can accomplish that. And removing marxist from society improves the quality of life of everyone else


by Luciom P

Saez is a marxist, inimical to every value i have in life, his all literature production is toxic cancer , he even worked with Piketty, we are taling people on the far left IN EUROPE, people on the left of Sanders, is that your example of a decent human being whose opinion you value? it's utter , complete, disgusting communist trash

So anyone who disagrees with you is a communist? Do you always think in such binary terms?

He's not btw. He's a capitalist, like me. What you're supporting and confused about, and it's probably because you're in a country that is highly susceptible to fascism (I'm Italian too btw), is vulture capitalism vs democratic capitalism.

What Chile is doing is creating quite an uprising because it's moving from one extreme to the next, instead of finding that sweet spot, that most Scandinavian countries have found. Correctly incentivized taxation models that help build an economy with upward mobility chances for everyone. If you want to work hard, you'll be able to succeed. Vulture capitalism on the other hand is about creating avenues of success for the few, based on tax policy that enables wreckless gambles that have public bailouts as the backdrop.

Look, supply side economics has NEVER worked. It's been tried countless times. It always ends up in the same place. Haven't you ever played Monopoly? How does the game end?


by Luciom P

Chile is objectively richer than all other south american countries. Which fully denies your idea that rightwing government can accomplish that. And removing marxist from society improves the quality of life of everyone else

It's currently the 5th largest... for now. Stay tuned. I know where this story ends.


by Luciom P

Technology keeps improving so material prosperity for everyone should improve with tiem, if nothing happens. That's the rational expectation.

Politics sometimes get worse so even with exceptionally better technology, we are only "somewhat better off", which means politics is slowing us down, damaging us

Sum total we're better off than we ever were. However, the benefits from rapid increases in technology are more rarely afforded the customer, citizen or worker.

Development of consumer goods these days are very much geared at creating transient consumerism more so than technological superiority: Products that quickly go obsolete, goods with very limited durability, subscriptions over ownership, and lack of repairability. All of these are used to force an ever shorter cycle of usage and ownership. The goods might be cheaper in terms of purchase price, but they don't last and they're built to not last or for you to not own them at all.

In a sense most of us are slowly becoming serfs, because it is now very difficult for an average person to subsist outside this ever shortening cycle of consuming. With even most of the middle-class becoming saddled with debt, this is very hard to break away from.

One exception is food, which in western countries is much cheaper today than it was in the past. However, housing was typically much cheaper in the past, so the net result is more that these two has switched places in an average person's expenses.


I don’t remember serfs having access to the entire history of knowledge of humanity at their fingertips, but maybe we’re reading different history books :P


by tame_deuces P

Sum total we're better off than we ever were. However, the benefits from rapid increases in technology are more rarely afforded the customer, citizen or worker.

Development of consumer goods these days are very much geared at creating transient consumerism more so than technological superiority: Products that quickly go obsolete, goods with very limited durability, subscriptions over ownership, and lack of repairability. All of these are u

When I was younger, the right in America promised that technological advances would ease societies burden, increase productivity and consequently workers share of resources. They may have lied.

Here's a story, that if you figure out the primary causes of why this doesn't exist anymore, you'll never vote for conservatives:

My grandparents fled WWII from Italy, landed on Ellis Island, broke. My grandfather took odds and ends jobs, enough to rent a small home, where they had 2 daughters. He eventually saved up enough to move to CA, where he had 2 more boys.

My grandmother never worked a formal work day in her life. Her work was saying at home and taking care of the kids and home.

My grandfather raised a family of 4 on a car mechanic's salary. That's all he did his whole life.

With that single working class job, in CA... they bought a nice him just outside of Los Angeles. Sent 3 of his kids to college. Owned 2 cars. Vacationed. Sent all the kids overseas to Italy multiple times, had a small pension and was able to retire at 65 years of age. Both of my grandparents died at 88 y/o of age. No debt, passed on money to their kids.

Why doesn't that story exist anymore? Is it because of the Marxist that want social safety nets? 😉


by FreakDaddy P

So anyone who disagrees with you is a communist? Do you always think in such binary terms?

He's not btw. He's a capitalist, like me. What you're supporting and confused about, and it's probably because you're in a country that is highly susceptible to fascism (I'm Italian too btw), is vulture capitalism vs democratic capitalism.

What Chile is doing is creating quite an uprising because it's moving from one extreme to the next, instead of fin

Man saez is one of the guys who advised Warren for the wealth tax. We are talking the far left of the democratic party.

What chile did was genociding the marxist, and the people left did better than anyone else in their continent as expected.

There are 4 countries in scandinavia with wildly different economic and social policies, it's time we stop aggregating them togheter. Foreign borns in Sweden are 25% of the population, in Finland 8-9%.

Not only supply side economics as always worked, even in its worst iterations it has always worked better than the best socialism.

Have i played the very famous game created by a marxist feminist , with the explicit intention of teaching communism to kids? yes. Did i learn something from it? yes that suckers are going to lose in the game of life, and they deserve to lose.


by checkraisdraw P

I don’t remember serfs having access to the entire history of knowledge of humanity at their fingertips, but maybe we’re reading different history books :P

I'm not saying we're not comfortable or well fed, but for you to have that access at your fingertips you need a hardware product with a short lifecycle, you need a subscription to a service and most of what is free in that little box you're holding is actually selling you as a product, and you're not getting a cut, so take that into account when you're calculating the price.

Not Wikipedia though, Wikipedia is technology used right.

by FreakDaddy P

When I was younger, the right in America promised that technological advances would ease societies burden, increase productivity and consequently workers share of resources. They may have lied.

Here's a story, that if you figure out the primary causes of why this doesn't exist anymore, you'll never vote for conservatives:

My grandparents fled WWII from Italy, landed on Ellis Island, broke. My grandfather took odds and ends jobs, enough to ren

I don't mind safety nets, but that's more rooted in me viewing my country as a society rather than my personal investment account. Nor do I think social nets is a very Marxist thing. If anything Marxist states were pretty poor at making the life you describe possible. Perhaps one thing they got right was ease of access to education and trades, but they too were (and are), somewhat ironically, pretty poor at protecting worker rights and citizen rights.

That said, most of us are no longer aboard the train to better times. The multi-billionaires are buying large bunkers and planning to make mars habitable, but I don't think we're getting an invite.


I told you he thought asylum meant "insane asylums." What a buffoon.


by Luciom P

Wealth and income inequality in 1920 was a lot higher than today, and it was every single year before that in every country worldwide basically (maybe use 1917 for russia).

Clearly not true .
First 2 charts that stop in 2012 already showed the richest own almost the same as the 1920 .
And we all know since 2012 , the richest earn even more now than in 2012

https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/SaezZucma...


by FreakDaddy P

So anyone who disagrees with you is a communist? Do you always think in such binary terms?



The Haitians eating pets thing has to be crazy for undecideds. I assume that undecideds are undecideds because they don't know what to believe anymore and seeing someone who believes everything he sees on the internet has to scare them away from Trump to some degree.


Anyone surprised he didn't deny killing the border bill?


by The Horror P

Anyone surprised he didn't deny killing the border bill?

I think its clear why he basically avoided that subject and instead focused on his lies about immigrants. Calling Kamala the "Border Czar" which is untrue as she was never in charge of anything regarding the border was his way of deflecting his choice to undermine that border bill.

I also think that for Trump to deny doing something that worked would not be in his character. He is proud that he killed the border bill. It shows he still has control over the Republican party. For bullies that is far more important than what they did.


What people are sadly oblivious to is the fact that they don't need a "border bill" that's filled with money and policies that benefit other countries. They're the President and VP, they can sign an E.O. today to close it up in a heart beat, just like when sleepy was elected he signed an E.O. to open it, he can close it just as easily. They don't need to go "through congress".

At least this debate rallied other groups to finally stand behind President Trump...

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by Playbig2000 P

What people are sadly oblivious to is the fact that they don't need a "border bill" that's filled with money and policies that benefit other countries. They're the President and VP, they can sign an E.O. today to close it up in a heart beat, just like when sleepy was elected he signed an E.O. to open it, he can close it just as easily. They don't need to go "through congress".

At least this debate rallied other groups to finally stand behind

Mmmm dinner.


Wtf?


It's fascinating how quickly AI slop has become Republican-coded.


by biggerboat P

Wtf?

Playbig being playbig I guess.


I simply can not believe that all those childless cat-ladies sent their kittens off to war.


by Tom Ames P

I simply can not believe that all those childless cat-ladies sent their kittens off to war.

The only other option was stay and get eaten by Haitians.


The world needs Trump to win.


by Shifty86 P

The world needs Trump to win.

World here. No thanks.


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