President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by lozen P

Biden thinks it’s the right thing to do to gain back the youth vote and win an election. Congress voted for the aid which included the weapons and Biden signed it .

I guess Trump withheld the money to investigate what he thought was a corrupt presidential candidate acting for the American people .

You don't see a difference between pandering to American voters and extorting a foreign government to investigate a political rival?


by ganstaman P

You don't see a difference between pandering to American voters and extorting a foreign government to investigate a political rival?

Let me ask you this Why did Trump blackmail the Ukrainian government ? Would you agree to get dirt on his opponents to win an election ?

The sole reason Biden is doing what he is doing is to win an election. So he is blackmailing Israel with the threat of withholding weapons if they invade Rafah

So the answer is NO they are both wrong


Interesting logic.


The First article of impeachment for Trump Ukraine impeachment was abuse of power (the second was linked to his refusal to submit the admin to congressional subpoena), about blackmailing a foreign ally, withholding funds congress already approved while asking for X that Trump wanted.

I don't think X is relevant to define the blackmailing as abuse of power. I don't think subjective assessment of the nefariousness of motives are relevant.

Besides, appeasing Hamas and it's American supporters can easily be seen as far worse morally than trying to create trouble for your political opponent in a foreign country


by lozen P

Biden thinks it’s the right thing to do to gain back the youth vote and win an election. Congress voted for the aid which included the weapons and Biden signed it .

I guess Trump withheld the money to investigate what he thought was a corrupt presidential candidate acting for the American people .

Lol at Trump ever doing anything because of any desires or preferences of the American people. He has never done anything for any reason apart from getting more wealth and power for Donald Trump.


by chillrob P

Lol at Trump ever doing anything because of any desires or preferences of the American people. He has never done anything for any reason apart from getting more wealth and power for Donald Trump.

Of course that's not why he did it . He did it to win the election as is Joe Biden and as the democrats have said an impeachable offence


by lozen P

Of course that's not why he did it . He did it to win the election as is Joe Biden and as the democrats have said an impeachable offence

Didn’t Biden for months tried to intervene by other political means to stop bibi war intentions ?
Was that only to win the election too ?


by Montrealcorp P

Didn’t Biden for months tried to intervene by other political means to stop bibi war intentions ?
Was that only to win the election too ?

None of the other ways had him hold off supplying bombs which he begged congress to approve . Diplomatic means I have no issue with


by lozen P

None of the other ways had him hold off supplying bombs which he begged congress to approve . Diplomatic means I have no issue with

Well what do you suggest afterwards when political means do not work ?


Biden just has absolutely horrendous foreign policy instincts.

He's strengthening Bibi's position and limiting Bibi's options.

I am not sure Biden realizes that's what he is doing.


by grizy P

Biden just has absolutely horrendous foreign policy instincts.

He's strengthening Bibi's position and limiting Bibi's options.

I am not sure Biden realizes that's what he is doing.

What do you mean by this?


Good on Biden on pissing off both sides now . He’s now the Pro Hamas President and genocide Joe


by lozen P

Good on Biden on pissing off both sides now . He’s now the Pro Hamas President and genocide Joe

Well as if any actions he takes it would of been different anyway …


by lozen P

Good on Biden on pissing off both sides now . He’s now the Pro Hamas President and genocide Joe



by Didace P

Interesting logic.

It’s really amazing


The biggest reason to prefer Biden to Trump just evaporated



Jfc it's really bad



The biggest reason to prefer Biden to Trump has always been that he's not Trump.


by Luciom P

The biggest reason to prefer Biden to Trump just evaporated


I’m not sure but all those folks that said Trumps Tariffs on China bad seem to be quiet now ? Hmmm


by Luciom P

The biggest reason to prefer Biden to Trump just evaporated

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The biggest reason to prefer Biden over Trump is the future selection of the supreme court justices. The reason Abortion is illegal in a number of red states right now is because of Trump appointed judges in the Supreme Court. There have also been a number of other critical issues like Voter Rights Act which the current supreme court and many appointed federal judges have started undoing.

Other reasons to prefer Biden aside from the appointment of judges would be pro choice abortion rights, racism, antisemitism, fighting white supremacy, LGTBQ rights, support for actual education (without banning history of slavery, gays, etc.), child poverty help (like the increased tax credit $), he doesn't lie anywhere near as much as Trump, NATO support, facing Kim Jung Un and Putin rather than caving in, immigration (by allowing immigration at the border inflation was reduced significantly as there were now workers available to pick food agriculturally where otherwise the food would have rotted on the vine)

Chinese tariffs are like at the bottom of the list. It is true that people will have to pay more for things but the flip side is that substantial number of jobs in the energy industry would end up defaulting away from the US. In the case of computer chips, electric vehicles, and production of electric energy sources this could mean huge trade deficits. Which in turn could lower the value of the dollar and cause prices to go up on imports.


I wonder if those tariffs on China announcement isn’t a preventative move « already » discuss/agreeing between China/US about China eventually devaluating their currency.

Many China/US officials meeting did happen lately .
With the Japanese yen going down so much in the past year is a real pain for the competitiveness of China .


by Mr Rick P

The biggest reason to prefer Biden over Trump is the future selection of the supreme court justices. .

Not for me sorry no.

Gorsuch is possibly the best SCOTUS judge to ever occupy a seat. Better than Scalia already. An absolute hero for lovers of freedom.

Check in particular when he agrees with the "liberals", given you come from a different political philosophy I come from.

There was a case where Gorsuch and RBG were the only two contrarian votes.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019...

Two real, actual, legal geniuses like you are lucky to find in a whole generation, coming from wholly different legal philosophies and agreeing because that's the actual only moral, legal, rational way to interpret the constitution.

The government abuses its power against the will of the writers of the constitution when it allows state trials over matters already judged by federal trials and viceversa


Fighting white supremacy, LGBT rights, abortion and many other things aren't constitutional rights.

It's eversive to think judges should rule as you like even if the text doesn't agree with you. It's against the rule of law and pillars of society.


by Montrealcorp P

I wonder if those tariffs on China announcement isn’t a preventative move « already » discuss/agreeing between China/US about China eventually devaluating their currency.

Many China/US officials meeting did happen lately .
With the Japanese yen going down so much in the past year is a real pain for the competitiveness of China .

Your so biased if Trump had announced this you would be all over him


by Luciom P

Fighting white supremacy, LGBT rights, abortion and many other things aren't constitutional rights.

It's eversive to think judges should rule as you like even if the text doesn't agree with you. It's against the rule of law and pillars of society.

I think you missed the point of my post.

The most important thing for me about Biden is that he wouldn't appoint the kind of Supreme Court Justices that Trump has appointed. The reason Roe v Wade was overturned. The public perception of the Supreme Court is as low as it has ever been and i am one of those that think they suck right now. There are many decisions that have been made that are absurd and are not really law based.

As far as fighting white supremacy, LGBTQ rights, immigration, abortion rights, etc. I prefer Biden to Trump. It has nothing to do with the supreme court or the legal system. Your point in your post was that China Tariff's are the most important reason to like Biden. Its about the least important for me.


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