President Joe Biden

Yes we all saw the tape he never said teenage pageant girls. He has been accused of walking into the dressing room of adult pageant contestants . The two are different

Yes Donald Trump has little character though he acknowledges all his grandkids . The reality is many prefer his policies over Joes

Sniffing babies Not women but this is very recent

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-sniff...

I think they are both bad candidates and both strange people

Two different things that are both ten times worse than sniffing hair.

It's tribalism but getting rid of those you mention won't change anything.

The whole left team considers any republican candidate "worse than Hitler". Just look at what they did when De Santis had a shot in polls (for the republican primaries).

MAGA doesn't exist because of radical leftists. MAGA focus isn't about DEI or pro Hamas leftists. Hell, MAGA actually agrees with the pro Hamas left more than Biden democrats do.

MAGA is a nativist group. They want tariffs, no immigrants (or as few as possible), no foreign military interventions in geopolitics.

Radical leftists agree with them on geopolitics usually, can agree with tariffs, and only differ wrt immigrants.

But MAGA doesn't mean "non-normal" or unamerican or anything like that. There were always significant nativist groups.

The USA had 40 years of immigration laws the kind of MAGA would want today (explicit favouring white immigration, and very low levels of immigration in absolute terms compared to now, or pre ww1).

Tariffs were a key political discussion since day1 of the USA. Hamilton was a very strong proponents of them.

Saying that a group that wants immigration laws that were defended and written in a bipartisan way for 40 years , that want a lot of tariffs as many americans always did throughout american history, is "not normal" is kinda weird tbh.

The "no foreign military interventions" thing is kinda unamerican in an historical sense but... that's what the radical leftists agree with as well.

MAGA opponents are the "WTO is great for the economy, and it's proper and good to finance Ukraine and Israel to fight evil" types (like me and you) much more than the pro Hamas left.

Whatever he does to the baby is obscured by the man's head, but it looks more likely to me that he's kissing the baby's cheek. That used to be so common for politicians to do that it's a trope. "shaking hands and kissing babies".

But even if he was sniffing, I don't think that is anything crazy or sexual. I don't really understand it myself, but I have heard several women say they like the smell of babies.

I just don't know how anyone could think this is a tenth as big a deal as what Trump has admitted doing, much less what he has been accused of. Anyone who votes for him is basically saying he's fine with women being groped by someone they just met.

I don't find what Trump said when he thought he wasn't being recorded as relevant

Did the fact that Bill Clinton raped and harrassed women make him a bad president? Were you upset that he got more popular after the Monica lewinsky impeachment? Did you vote for him or refuse on moral ground and voted for Bob dole!!

The recordings of Trump asking Georgia officials to rig an election are incompatible with being a good president.

Never ever compared the two Biden's just a creepy old man with kids.

If I say Trump is a literal rapist, and you say "well Biden sniffs babys", that is quite literally a comparison.

Beyond being a comparison, its you saying "Biden sniffing babys is just as bad or worse than Trump being a literal convicted rapist"

You don't get to have it both ways.

Trump is not a literal convicted rapist.

Trump is a convicted business records falsificator

I never made the argument that Biden sniffed babies. I said it was creepy. As well Trump is convicted in civil court of sexual assault not rape and its civil court .

The reality is neither Trump or Biden have been convicted of rape or sexual assault The burden of proof differ as well the democrats changed the law solely to after Trump in Civil Court. I am very skeptical if that women was sexually assaulted and the award was nuts

I find both candidates to be disgusting human beings Trump more on his University scam and screwing over trades when he built his projects

Trump isn't "convicted in civil court of sexual assault".

He is convicted in civil court for defamation, and in the proceedings of that trial elements arose that make it plausible to think trump committed sexual assault.

He was found civilly liable for sexual abuse from an accusation of Rape. Its basically saying, well we don't have enough proof to legally call it rape but there is enough there to get as close to calling it rape as legally possible given the evidence.

"See, hes not a rapist, he was just found guilty after being accused of rape"

Both sides though, or whatever. Bide is a deplorable human being because hes.... old... and sniffs babies

Oh yeah both sides. You are literally jumping through conspiracy hoops to make Trump seem less disgusting and Biden more disgusting.

I personally find that to be disgusting sophistry

Nono, it's that the definition of rape changed from when the alleged acts happened and today, in NYS

republicans have no policies that they want to discuss. the only "policies" are funnel money to rich people, and be mean to minorities. even the openly out ones aren't trying to discuss them. those don't carry a conversation very long.

the videos were the parachuting video and the sitting down video which were edited and run by the NYpost. it's more of a case of the admin being more "ONLINE" than the regular person. i know exactly what they are referring to when they said that.

adjudicated rapist.

Let’s be absolutely clear here, trump’s election cycles have gotten more and more psychotic to the point where we are where we are today where his agenda, as it relates to the average MAGA who isn’t going to benefit from some ludicrous tax cut amounts to the following:

1. The left is vermin and must be stopped at all costs
2. Christian nationalism is the only way this country should exist and we have project 2025 to implement it all
3. America is white homeland and we must do what is needed to make it so. The minorities who are still here should be grateful for the privilege
4. I will destroy your enemies and if I don’t, you have my blessing to do so yourself
5. Look at what my judicial appointees have done so far and know it’ll get far worse for ‘them’ if you give me power

The Republican Party has devolved into the optimal outcome of the klan and I would venture to guess an overwhelming majority of people voting biden aren’t voting for him cuz they believe in him, it’s cuz the alternative is probably the most sadistic, regressive candidate the 2 party system has produced in American history and that includes candidates who thought slavery was a-ok

Edit: even the [strike]scumbags[/strike] MAGA chuds in this forum to one degree or another have said ‘I like trump cuz he’s funny to me and he makes you mad,’ which, of course, is exactly the temperament you’re looking for in a guy who will be running the country

I think immigration policy is something they want to discuss and do discuss a lot.

You know that but somehow you want to claim they don't want to discuss policies.

Why?

"The border is open and rapists and murderers are coming through unabated"

"You are being lied to"

Discussion over

I will fully admit there is problematic immigration. I think in some EU countries they are seeing overwhelming numbers and from cultures that don't want to adapt and don't mesh. I'm sure some of that happens here, but not really. There is a lot of data that supports the stance that most US immigrants have children who are fully "integrated" into US culture. They get college degrees at higher rates than your average white person and earn higher salaries. Maybe that is why dumb lazy white people don't like immigrants? Because they make them look bad.

Sure all the 70 or 80m or whatever the number is of people that will vote for Trump say discussion closed.

They dont discuss anything else about immigration ever.

For example they don't ever differentiate illegals from legals when quoting stastics for immigration oh wait that's what YOU have just done.

Using the degrees of legal immigrants as a cover for the illegals.

Even if a person started the discussion with "all illegals should be deported" (which should be the position of everyone who cares about the rule of law) that wouldn't close the discussion on immigration, that would be the start

We can't have a reasonable/rational/productive conversation about policy when one side is holding on to a false premise. Its quite literally impossible and quite literally the point

what is the immigration policy? the republicans blocked the most conservative immigration bill in modern history. so clearly they apparently don't have an issue with immigration.

What's the false premise that you think makes it impossible to have a conversation? Do you use the same meter everytime so for example do you complete interrupt communication with someone claiming the sea level will raise 2 meters by 2100 if we dont go to 0 carbon worldwide? Or with people claiming $20 of min wage won't destroy jobs?

I mean the main reason there are political discussions is because people believe different things are true lol.

It's rare to completely agree on the facts but being very far away on what should be done (it can happen but it's rare)