2024 ELECTION THREAD

Fox News hosts are caught in a major lie.

Laura Loomer continues her racist and insane rant about Kamala Harris,
an affair with Donald Trump, women sleeping around to get ahead and more.

i'm not dealing with your conjecture over conspiracy theories - that's bonkers

why don't you deal with the fact that less than an overwhelming majority of the richest people in the world are from democracies, that our founding fathers were all insanely wealthy people, that our politicians are all insanely wealthy people, that they are unable to run for office without the aid and support of insanely wealthy people

how if you go to any university, library, hospital, museum, etc you're going to see the names of extremely wealthy people who had so much excess money they just f it i'm going to build a new wing for my local hospital or a new science building for my college etc - you don't get that in the rest of the world and it's not because non-americans are not charitable, it's because non-americans don't have that kind of excess wealth where they can just casually throw it around like that

lol... you never fail to deliver. You want to tell me what else I think?

So democracies can't be democracies if they add more agencies for an ever evolving world? Like say we invent this new thing where you can have a camera and computer right in the palm of your hand. Something that couldn't have been remotely serious before 1900. We shouldn't create new divisions in the FCC to cover handling these new inventions? What about AI? We should just lean on old institutions only to handle AI security?

Since you asked... no, I don't want a dictatorship (man you guys are so binary in your thinking all the time). I want a social democracy where people have economic opportunity no matter where they started. I want a clean environment that is safe for my kids and grandkids. I want social safety nets for when people have major falls in their life (hey, even the hypocrite Ayn Rand wanted these). I want experts in key areas making decisions about health, technology, the environment, and security. I want democratically elected leaders to listen to those experts, and their constituents before enacting laws, and not just signing new bills from corporate lobbying firms like ALEC.

He prefers countries that got poorer because the state did things, hospitals are breaking down, service is horrible, waiting times are in the months for basic procedures, but at least it's all truly public, the state did it.

Democracies cease to be when actual power doesn't change hands with elections.

You want "experts" making decisions for us, I never want to. Ever. I want experts to suggest and people who have to justify their choices with voters to make ALL decisions that affect citizens.

All, including the tiniest. Non elected people should never have any power at all and it should be illegal to delegate any to them.

I want in general as few decision taken for everyone as possible, and it most cases it means none.

What's the proper regulation for cellphones? Nothing at all. Nada. Keep your ****ing hands away. Don't even think to decide anything. Same for AI.

Let us live, just leave us alone, not only we don't need you, you are the source of basically every solvable problem.

Is this a reference to what Trump was trying to do?

So labor theft is OK, because it makes people rich, and they can put their names on things. That means billionaires are OK w/ democracy. Got it... good reasoning.

It's not conjecture. I laid out fact after fact, and asked where you had questions.

Right-wing think tanks helped promulgate a world in which there were corrupt administrative officials, that are part of a deep state.
Judicial watch filed 100's of FOIA's against the FBI, CIA, and DOJ that were bogus, but they were great talking points on right-wing media outlets.
Heritage foundation has railed against the government for decades.
Cato Institute teamed up w/ Alex Jones on deep state government surveillance.
The Federalist society has been critical of the administrative state for decades.
The Center for Security Policy has promoted the idea of hidden networks within the government, particularly in the context of national security and Islamist infiltration.

All of these and more end up talked about on right-wing media, where they expound on it even more and get deeper into the weeds. And then conservatives will launch bogus investigations citing these various conspiracies tied to the deep state, that go nowhere.

Do you dispute any of that?

Next step.

Who owns these think tanks?

Next step.

Why are they pushing these narratives. What's the goal?

And the bottom line is this:
Do Trump supporters believe in a deep state?

This all seems like a super workable system. Can't wait to vacation in Luciomtopia. I assume I need to bring my own fire extinguisher?

see now you're droning on about other stuff like labor theft for unknown reasons

our very political system exists due to the blessing of the 100 richest people in the world, you don't think if they all inherently were anti democratic they wouldn't be a little more proactive in shutting down the very system they prop up?

they are not the ones voting for the lesser evil, they are the ones choosing the people they want in office

This is what I said:
I want experts in key areas making decisions about health, technology, the environment, and security. I want democratically elected leaders to listen to those experts, and their constituents, before enacting laws.

No, you're wrong... there's a lot of things that go into cellphones and AI. There's an entire race going on for control of AI primarily for security reasons, and all sorts of agencies being set up around it.

Well.. this was fun.

Yes, yes... blessings upon the peasants.

Thank you billionaire gods, for being so kind to us and providing us w/ the scraps under your table. Without you, we'd be lost!

I get it homie. Thanks for the chat.

This is actually such a stupid idea. I mean if anything surely you don’t think this is a constitutional idea, right? This is just your fantasy land will never happen position?

what do you think isn't constitutional, under the federal constitution?

non delegation doctrine exists, you can disagree, but it's not like I am invebting something weird here

The funniest thing about these guys is, "they just want to be left alone." Don't you dare tell me what to do. I'm an independent thinker, who only wants minimum interference in my life...

... unless you're a billionaire, and then you can fk around all day, write all the laws, tell me what should and shouldn't exist in the world. Some people are saying they're cucks for these guys. Not me... but I've heard people saying it.

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Donald Trump had a major meltdown about mail-in voting.

He got on Truth Social to complain about the US Mail service admitting
that they are running way behind on getting mail-in ballots delivered,
which Trump immediately claimed was election interference.

The irony is that HE created this mess four years ago on purpose.

How about a system (code named Orange) where you hire people without regard to whether they have actual expertise and then decide whether to listen to those people based on how aggressively they stroke your ego?

Does that work for you?

again just ignoring the facts, moving goal posts to fringe conspiracy theories and trying to pick on outliers like when you ignored that we lead the world in bridge collapses and are basically the only place on earth without high speed rail but because we cleaned up LA Bay then we're good at infractructure

you're never wrong, you're never able to walk back anything

instead of answering how if the rich hate democracy do all the richest people in the world both live in democracies and actively support it you just ignore that and talk about random stuff

and even worse you go to personal attacks for absolutely no reason

just a series of non-sequiturs and insults instead of answering a very reasonable question of "if rich people hate democracies then why do they all live in them and participate in them instead of not living in them and/or trying to overthrow them?"

you made a very bold claim, i asked a very basic question and you just go into personal attacks and non-sequiturs - that's not how discussion take place and it's just terrible posting

>justify their choices with voters

This implies that the general way that representatives were chosen was directly by the voters. In reality, that’s a very recent development. There are many situations where voters selected officials that would then appoint or select other officials. Such as… the presidency and vice presidency, the cabinet, supreme court justices, senators… like so many positions in federal government were not originally directly voted on by the voters. I have no idea why you thought that was ever the case.

Even if you look at the military the people have absolutely zero ability to vote on any of the decision makers.

I have no idea if you’re just using words in different ways than I do or something but I have to think there’s some kind of wild miscommunication going on here.

a lot of irrelevance at work today! let me guess...."something something stop lying..."

A lot of deflection tactics all in one post.

I asked you to follow the reasoning. If you don't agree with it, then just state what you don't agree w/ and why.

I went to DM you back, but your inbox is full. If it's cool, I'll just post up what you wrote me in here w/ my response.

would prefer to keep dms as dms, i'm out right now but will clear inbox later

Yup, sure thing.

I'd appreciate it if you put me on ignore, and I will do the same, and please don't respond to my posts anymore. Ty!

Right wing sources are just fake stuff for stupid people

The guy who lives on the internet be like, trust me, bro

Leave me alone while I get your black face about how I hate how gay you are!