The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
Luciom thinks the government is supposed to make these decisions. I don't think he thinks the government should be deciding whether children take vaccines or not though. Shrug. Wonder what he thinks if a child wants the covid vaccine, but their parents don't want them to take it or if the parents want a child to have it, but the child doesn't.
In this scenario, when you say, “I’ll always love you” to your tomboy daughter now claiming to be a boy, who is the “you” being addressed?
How often have you affirmed the soul of your daughter? How much effort have you spent assisting your daughter in bridging the gap between her self and soul?
Absent this, by the time your daughter reaches this point, the male gender identity has already taken over the self, so the response you’ll likely g
This is pretty much the point. If your relationship with your son or daughter starts from when they are claiming to be trans, you're the problem, not them.
Chemotherapy kills 13-25% of patients depending on cancer type, so by your logic it shouldn't be used as a treatment protocol? Of course not. You let the patient and treating medical doctor determine the options.
To make my position crystal clear: if a protocol that may cause infertility is necessary to prevent likely death (for example from cancer), then it may be justified in some circumstances. If a protocol that may cause infertility serves no purpose other than to treat gender identity issues, it is not justified under any circumstances. Do you agree or not?
To make my position crystal clear: if a protocol that may cause infertility is necessary to prevent likely death (for example from cancer), then it may be justified in some circumstances. If a protocol that may cause infertility serves no purpose other than to treat gender identity issues, it is not justified under any circumstances. Do you agree or not?
Okay, so middle ground is a gastric bypass surgery with a 5 year mortality rate of 6%. Do you think you have the right to tell obese people, even children, that they can't undergo this surgery, even if their obesity will eventually kill them?
My point is that your "may cause infertility" is a risk that the patient should weigh against the benefit of the care, no matter the procedure or protocol. I have no problem with you believing the risk isn't worth the benefit for gender identity treatment. I do have a problem with you thinking that you should be doing this risk/benefit analysis for a group of people you don't know rather than those individuals and their doctors making such decisions.
Good stuff
jjjou Goat
he's talking about kids who are not actually trans, just having an episode and instead of treating the underlying mental issues they are instead taking the statements of a 12 year old at face value and that same day proceeding with gender affirming care
he's not calling trans children mentally ill
The state of left wingism and censorship
"do you want a dead child or a trans child" = we need gender affirming care
Normal person- astronomical rates of suicide could be a strong indication of..... ok nothing to see here
Research shows "gender affirming care" doesn't help with suicide rates. Research shows the majority of "trans youth" end up just being gay if left without intervention. Experts show strong evidence of "trans youth" being a social contagion
Leftist conclusion- When shown that teens are showing up to the dr's office and immediately being led down the path of medical transition without informing the parents, let's endlessly bicker about CBC funding and it's implied bias. We should definitely spend all summer fighting and protesting for teachers rights to transition children at school without informing the parents (Canada). We definitely need to all of that to fix a likely social contagion for minors, but just to make sure we got our priorities in order, lets fight like hell for drag queen story hour and celebrate every trans "influencer". Let's make sure biological males win "women of the year", beauty contests, and dominate womens sports. That will certainly help.
Because if we know anything, it's that attempting suicide is a strong indicator someone isn't doing well. So obviously we want to celebrate and steer people towards a lifestyle with astronomical suicide rates and things will work out well. Even though most minors experiencing gender dysphoria just end up being gay, this all makes perfect sense
So, you are not trying to sneak back in here and keep a low profile anymore? Let the third banning begin....
We need parents to know their children. I refuse to believe there's a social media, communist plot to trans our kids. Intervention isn't needed, other than in the home, perhaps. Children of every strata throughout this country deal with terrible disappointment. Take a look outside. We don't need some half-wit intervention for this specific issue. There's no application of theory. Like there's nothing to be done about gun violence.
I'm trying to think of any other subject where we could justify abandoning the whole because 1% of that whole is perceived as problematic
Adapting world views for the lowest common denominator is objectively a bad thing
Research shows the majority of "trans youth" end up just being gay, not trans
Suicide rates do not drop after transitioning
Experts show strong evidence of trans youth being a social contagion
Last time I checked trans people had astronomical suicide rates. Why would you want to steer kids in that direction, or make permanent changes? I don't see how your comment applies to the situation
Social contagion lol
We are such a malleable species. Good thing we've you gatekeepers on that wall for us
Social contagion lol
We are such a malleable species. Good thing we've you gatekeepers on that wall for us
Ummm
I'm not the one buying in to this whole gender ideology or transitioning kids. If seeing children receiving horrific mistreatment and medical malpractice doesn't turn your stomach, you are morally broken. Like perhaps if instead of coming up with a counter argument or rationalization, you could just say something like "lol gatekeeper" and everyone will know you definitely are a smart and moral person that doesn't come across as someone that has their eyes glazed over like they've been hypnotized and breathing with their mouth open
Mankind is broken. Cull the sinners wrt this pet issue of yours, I guess. Activities available
How might we apply this necessary reform of yours?
And see my earlier post and jjjou's, you broke-brain moran. All the best.
The Cass report is clear on this. Many of the children suffering from gender dysphoria also had other complex mental health comorbidities such as ASD, ADHD, depression and anxiety.
Rather than treat these children as individuals who needed to have all of these aspects explore carefully and holistically, GIDS decided to give them a sex change.
This is not what The Cass Report found:
The Review has already advised that because puberty blockers only have clearly defined benefits in quite narrow circumstances, and because of the potential risks to neurocognitive development, psychosexual
development and longer-term bone health, they should only be offered under a research protocol.
lol, it's not a personal attack, it's a simple observation about your posting. If you'd even bothered to glance at the summary you'd find that nothing in that report "destroys" any position; it's loaded with qualifications and it constantly points out that the current studies are extremely limited.
I mean, this happens over and over, you cite a study, lie about its contents, wash and repeat.
Can you point out which of these direct quotations from the report I have made up? thx.
Quote: Although some think the clinical approach should be based on a social justice model, the NHS works in an evidence-based way.
Quote: When the Review started, the evidence base, particularly in relation to the use of puberty blockers and masculinising/feminising hormones, had already been shown to be weak.
Quote: It has been suggested that hormone treatment reduces the elevated risk of death by suicide in this population, but the evidenc
The Cass report is clear on this. Many of the children suffering from gender dysphoria also had other complex mental health comorbidities such as ASD, ADHD, depression and anxiety.
Rather than treat these children as individuals who needed to have all of these aspects explore carefully and holistically, GIDS decided to give them a sex change.
Transgender and nonbinary people are up to six times more likely to have autism
I have Luciom on ignore for.awhile now because of his garbage opinions on everything here but tend to not log in on my iPad so I read his latest rounds here today. I think you guys have hit it on the head, his only solution is no treatment by edict. He sees no value in doctors and patients making medical decisions on their own after weighing the risks and benefits of each step. It’s funny that the anti trans unit here doesn’t worry abo
Obviously puberty blockers are fine for legitimate medical reasons. But we keep being told that people who are trans are not suffering from any illness or disease.
I don't think you can have it both ways. Either it's a medical treatment for a disease, or it's an optional treatment with huge side effects which minors are not competent to decide on.
Chemotherapy kills 13-25% of patients depending on cancer type, so by your logic it shouldn't be used as a treatment protocol? Of course not. You let the patient and treating medical doctor determine the options.
In which significant ways do you think being trans is similar to having cancer?
I thought we weren't allowed to say being trans is a disease??
In which significant ways do you think being trans is similar to having cancer?
I thought we weren't allowed to say being trans is a disease??
I don't. I think decisions to undergo chemotherapy are a common medical condition with numerous factors in its risks/benefits analysis and resulting outcomes. I don't think people should dictate if and how a cancer patient determines their care despite what I consider the heighten risks and benefits of such care.
As stated earlier, regarding gender identity care, the risks seem exaggerated and the benefits are evaluated as worthless by the anti trans unit now pushing fake experts appearing on the fake doctor's tv show.
Explain to me how puberty blockers are fine for some, but not for all, and how the risks and benefits are different for legitimate medical reasons.
I don't. I think decisions to undergo chemotherapy are a common medical condition with numerous factors in its risks/benefits analysis and resulting outcomes. I don't think people should dictate if and how a cancer patient determines their care despite what I consider the heighten risks and benefits of such care.
As stated earlier, regarding gender identity care, the risks seem exaggerated and the benefits are evaluated as worthless by t
I am not a doctor so I don't know much about the specific risks and benefits of puberty blockers. However, I generally trust the medical profession about which drugs are worth the risks for any disease or illness, the same as any other drugs. If someone does not have a disease or illness, doctors shouldn't be involved in the situation at all.
I am not a doctor so I don't know much about the specific risks and benefits of puberty blockers. However, I generally trust the medical profession about which drugs are worth the risks for any disease or illness, the same as any other drugs. If someone does not have a disease or illness, doctors shouldn't be involved in the situation at all.
Precocious Puberty is treated with blockers. Can you articulate for me how the risks/benefits/effects differ from the same treatment for a gender identity issue where puberty blockers should be banned?
Kidshealth:
What Is Puberty?
Puberty is when kids develop physically and emotionally into young men and women. Usually, this starts to happen in adolescence:
In girls, the average age is 10.
In boys, the average age is 11.
What Is Precocious Puberty?
Precocious puberty is when the signs of puberty start:
before age 7 or 8 in girls
before age 9 in boys
It can be hard for some kids and sometimes is a sign of a health problem.
What Are the Signs & Symptoms of Precocious Puberty?
In girls, signs of precocious (prih-KOE-shiss) puberty include:
breast development before age 7 or 8
start of menstruation (her period) before age 10
rapid height growth (a growth spurt) before age 7 or 8
In boys, the signs of precocious puberty before 9 years of age include:
enlargement of the testicles or penis
rapid height growth (a growth spurt)
In girls and boys, some of these can be signs of possible early puberty, but sometimes are normal:
pubic, underarm, or facial hair development
voice deepening
acne
"mature" body odor
How Does Precocious Puberty Affect Kids?
When puberty ends, growth in height stops. Because their skeletons mature and bone growth stops at an earlier age than normal, kids with precocious puberty that's not treated usually don't reach their full adult height potential. Their early growth spurt may make them initially tall when compared with their peers. But they may stop growing too soon and end up at a shorter height than they would have otherwise.
Going through puberty early also can be hard for kids emotionally and socially. Girls with precocious puberty, for example, may be confused or embarrassed about getting their periods or having enlarged breasts well before any of their peers. They may be treated differently because they look older.
Even emotions and behavior may change in kids with precocious puberty. Girls can become moody and irritable. Boys can become more aggressive and also develop a sex drive inappropriate for their age.
What Causes Precocious Puberty?
The onset of puberty is normally triggered by the hypothalamus. This area of the brain signals the pituitary gland (a pea-sized gland near the base of the brain) to release hormones that stimulate the ovaries (in girls) or testicles (in boys) to make sex hormones.
Most commonly, especially in girls, precocious puberty is due to the brain sending signals earlier than it should. There is no other underlying medical problem or trigger. This also can often run in families.
Less often, precocious puberty stems from a more serious problem, such as a tumor or trauma. Thyroid or ovarian problems also can trigger early puberty. In these cases, other symptoms usually happen that point to a more serious problem.
Precocious puberty is less common in boys, and more likely to be related to another medical problem. For about 5% of boys, the condition is inherited.
Some very young girls (usually from 6 months to 3 years old) may show breast development that later disappears or may last but without other physical changes of puberty. This is called premature thelarche (thee-LAR-kee) and usually doesn't cause lasting problems.
Similarly, some girls and boys may have early growth of pubic and/or underarm hair or body odor that isn't related to other changes in sexual development. This is called premature adrenarche (ah-druh-NAR-kee).
These kids may need to see their doctor to rule out "true" precocious puberty. But most need no treatment and will show the other expected signs of puberty at the usual age.
How Is Precocious Puberty Diagnosed?
Talk to your doctor if your child shows any signs of early sexual maturation (before age 7 or 8 in girls or age 9 in boys), including:
breast development
rapid height growth
menstruation
acne
enlarged testicles or penis
pubic or underarm hair
To diagnose precocious puberty, the doctor may order blood tests to look for high levels of sex hormones. X-rays of your child's wrist and hand can show whether the bones are maturing too early.
Rarely, imaging tests such as MRIs and ultrasound studies are done to rule out uncommon causes of precocious puberty, such as a tumor in the brain, ovary, or testicle.
How Is Precocious Puberty Treated?
If your child has precocious puberty, the doctor may refer you to a pediatric endocrinologist (a doctor who specializes in growth and hormonal disorders in children) for treatment.
The treatment goals are to:
stop or even reverse sexual development
stop the rapid growth and bone maturation that can lead to adult short stature or an early start to periods
Depending upon the cause, there are two possible approaches to treatment:
treating the underlying cause or disease
lowering the high levels of sex hormones with medicine to stop sexual development
Sometimes, treatment of a related health problem can stop the precocious puberty. But in most cases, there's no other disease, so treatment usually involves hormone therapy to stop sexual development.
The currently approved hormone treatment is with drugs called LHRH analogs. These synthetic (man-made) hormones block the body's production of the sex hormones that cause early puberty. Positive results usually are seen within a year of starting treatment. LHRH analogs are generally safe and usually cause no side effects in kids.
In girls, breast size may decrease. In boys, the penis and testicles may shrink back to the size expected for their age. Growth in height will also slow down to a rate expected for kids before puberty. A child's behavior usually becomes more age-appropriate too.
I just told you I'm not a doctor; why should I try to figure out this stuff? I trust doctors with illnesses and diseases, I don't need to know all that crap.
