The costs of trans visibility

I've never once seen nor read anything of matt walsh

asking what defines things is one of the very cores of logic and philosophy - something that anyone with an education would be very familiar with

ie you can't discuss if something is sublime, without first defining and discussing what sublime is

sadly, all of Plato's efforts were in vain, as we learned long after his time what the true definition of sublime is

but for real

he's using the most very basic concepts used in any logic or philosophical driven discussion - but because some random online personality also used it then it's off limits?

hitler loved eating breakfast, it was his favorite meal, does this mean anyone from this point out who eats breakfast wants to rekindle the third reich? or perhaps they just like breakfast?

but you ignore and discount his argument, just because someone else you don't like may have also used a similar argument, forgetting that it's not the "matt walsh method" but it's the socratic method because you just have tunnel vision of hate

what do you think the reason why they segregate sexes in sports is in the first place?

They're just cults. If you believe you're a woman then you're a woman. If you believe you're a man then you're a man. Not too much different than religions at all.

This was in response to uke's question, 'Do you think that gender is made up too?' And it is correct, because, if we may refer to Aristotle for a moment, gender is a noumenon (a thing of the mind) and not a phenomenon (a thing of objective, observable, empirical reality which exists in itself regardless of what anyone thinks about it). Sex, of course, is a phenomenon.

Let's put it this way, the "What is a Woman?" together with follow up responses is a tell. You don't give off the vibe of a Matt Walsh fanboy, though, so congrats, but it is fairly clear that hole in wan is playing the matt walsh wannabe card.

Plenty of "real" things we talk about without any issue are "a thing of the mind". I'm not impressed with this dichotomy, but why exactly should I care if gender is categorized as a noumenon.

Choose your own adventure social club.

Sounds like your powers of observation are adequate.

Most people don't care if you want to behave in a way that doesn't conform with typical societal gender norms, but they draw the line when you pretend that also means there is no inherent difference in the sexes and use your personal kink as justification to cross certain boundaries that are in place for good reasons.

What point do you think your post was making? It's not bigoted to disallow adults to beat up on children in sports. It's not bigoted to prevent a 260lb boxer from competing against 180lb opponents. It's a safety issue, among other things.

The irony of the gender discussion is that the gender advocates demand that gender be treated as real, but their very own ideology negates it.

Maybe re-framing would help, because if you live in a country w/ socialized medicine, you're going to pay for that person's care, whether it's transitioning, mental health, or otherwise. And sorry, but it's seen as valid health care in your country. You're probably talking about pennies of difference, if much at all.

I think rape shelters, and jail, since I'm sure that's high on your personal list of concerns, will be reasonable and not put anyone that's experiencing trauma in a bad situation. That's a bit silly honestly. The concern will be for the individual, and trans men aren't going to be in those situations, hoping they can take advantage of some woman. Come on.

So in a nutshell, you don't want to recognize, that all throughout history, there's been gender dysphoria, and instead of accommodating people and helping people, you want to fight against them essentially. Because this small minority of people keep you up at night, typing away on forums about how transsexual people will ruin your world and maybe make you pay a penny more in taxes?

I think you need a new hobby brother.

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for the Celebrity Death Match between the top Trans and Feminism activists.

Gender really is whatever we make of it, but it isn't non-males who are pushing gender roles. It's males with the patriarchy and all that stuff.

Like, women who are advocating for equal pay aren't the barrier between them and equal pay. It's the men in power who are. Women fighting back against catcalling, groping, and the like aren't the problem; sexually harrassing men are the problem. Women fighting for access to birth control and reproductive rights aren't the problem; allies of that patriarchy are the problem.

Victim blaming is the easy go-to with identity politics. It's usually (white) cis males who are the most ardent believers that ignoring identity politics will make them go away. Meanwhile, they use their identity almost all the time.

My point is simple... they are seeking out ways to exploit bigotry. It's not as if trans wedge issues weren't eliciting reactions from conservative bases, it's that it wasn't large enough.

You can list all the issues in society on trans rights, one by one, and I'd bet barely none of them actually affect you. But sports... don't ruin the sports, that's a line too far.

My personal opinion on trans issues in sports is that you should be required to compete based on your biological sex. At some point in the future, perhaps when the hormone drugs evolve to a point that testosterone is negligible, then perhaps we can revisit this issue.

I think working out these issues is part of society trying to find the balanced between acceptance and fairness, and there's nothing wrong with that. Both sides should look to compromise and find common sense positions.

Gender ideology is cult-like and that's been mentioned by myself and a few others itt. This brain buster of a question, "what is a woman?" makes it even more clear

I tell him gender ideology is made up nonsense. Then I ask him to define man or woman the most basic and easy question. None of them can answer. Instead of re-thinking their position, being extremely embarrassed, etc. they act like I did some magic trick like grandpa pulling a coin out of their ear

It's eyes glazed over hypnotized cultists reaction. Now their failure to even define what a woman is has been described as my anti trans hate or whatever. Absolutely preposterous people

Like I could go on and on about the incoherance and consequences but like where do you even start? It's all so ridiculous

You want everyone to affirm whatever gender someone can come up with but can't even define any genders? You can't even give a definition of a woman? What are some additional genders? You say they exist, tell me about them

Bonkers

Man and woman are legal categories with legal implications, it is much worse than a religion where you can believe your totem spirit is a wolf, and no one else in society outside of your religion ever has to give a **** nor it ever produces any legal effect.

It's a religion that wants to force society to legalize it's theological claims and use state violence to enforce them on every resident of every country.

So it's the worst possible kind of religion

even if this is the case, are we not allowed to define what a woman is because someone you don't like asked the same question?

I certainly don't think society should bend over to accomodate minorities in general no, it's already a lot to ask to vaguely tolerate minorities. Society should strive to be useful for normal people because that's hard enough to do and most societies fail horribly at that, minorities count less than majorities and I find it truly and deeply immoral to spend any effort toward minorities until majorities are fully ok. Leftism focus on minorities lately is truly morally horrifying, inimical to the core value of being forced to live togheter.

Absence of direct violence toward minorities, which is super common in world history, should be the goal. And we are there already.

Accomodation? Be thankful we don't damage them on purpose.

As for jail, men who think they are women (or say so to the police) raped a lot of women in various places where they were jailed together, until most places stopped that horrendous practice.

And yes a person with a penis raping a person with a vagina is not the same as man on man rape because there is a thing called pregnancy that can happen, and it did happen.

As for rape shelters teams activists sued association that managed rape shelters because they discriminated against men who said they were women in the UK. It's not an hypothetical

Lol, none of this is happening. You are just being ignored and are throwing a hissy fit about it.

The GOP massively overplayed their hand, and it's clear they're rapidly retreating from the trans panic they were stirring up a few months ago. Normal-ass, well-adjusted people are completely repulsed by the bulling and cruelty. Even the people who aren't fully comfortable with transgender politics are largely willing to live and let live.

They are banning puberty blockers everywhere lol

You should copy this post word for word for the u.s. immigration visa application. Hopefully, you will never be allowed here.

The medical care component is completely unrelated to his point,

I don't want to come and live in your country, but unfortunately for you my dad is a citizen so if I want I enter a queue and I can get it no matter what, because of rules you approve.

But don't worry, the **** i ever want to be a resident of one of the only 2 countries in the world who tax income worldwide (USA and n Korea).

No it isn't as it is the main topic of discussion and it always was.

Minors, then sports, the rest comes later.

I agree the right didn't give enough wait to people with dicks in women jail but that comes from a generic disregard of prisoners rights from the right that I very much disagree with.

I am pretty much on Voltaire when we talk about prisons, you judge a country by the way they treat prisoners

Wow... had to take a few breaths after reading this. It's pretty gross.

I guess you are the person who decides normal then... and anything outside of that, we shouldn't bother with accepting.

Sounds like every fascist throughout history.

You're very concerned with women being rapped, and children being exposed to different genders (although kids being polled on this don't care). I assume you're spending a lot of time fighting the catholic church then, and unsupervised visits with priests, and actively fighting against spousal abuse for women, correct? Have you ever even posted anything about these issues in other forums? I'm guessing not... but they are suddenly an issue when it comes to trans people. Right.

Have you heard of the term, psychological splitting? It's when you suppress something inside yourself so much, that you actively look to deny others to function what you're suppressing in yourself. In other words, you don't want others to act the way you wish you could, because you don't allow yourself to.