The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I've never seen anyone interested in this subject other than you. When you bring it up people don't engage with the conversation
"This is also a well known phenomenon" - no it isnt. Many of the LGBTQ things you speak authoritatively about are quite literally made up by you
my bad, i forgot that most people in the thread calling me a transphobe are speaking purely from a theoretical standpoint and have interacted with less than 1% of the trans I have
and hard lol if you think i'm making up that some gays chase straights (some even make it "their thing"), perhaps you should revisit phresh's homophobia claims if you genuinely believe that's not the case
yup, been on record for years they are always the most interesting people at the bar
Deleted some posts and gave warnings for some personal attacks in here. Let’s all address content, friends 😀
Ps: I don’t know UK but do a transgender girl has the obligation to say who she really “his” for kissing purpose or just for sex?
Unwanted kissing might be a sexual assault, but that could apply to anyone. The law is unlikely to get involved over undisclosed trans status if it's just about kissing. I suppose you could have a case where a lesbian thought she was kissing another woman and felt deceived on finding it was a trans woman, which could possibly, given the negation of consent by deception, result in a criminal charge, but I'm not sure if that's ever happened.
I mean today you can almost be indicted for grabbing the butt of a woman , is it the same for trans woman kissing an aware man for “sexual agression “?
You can certainly be indicted for grabbing a woman's butt when she doesn't want you to. That's kind of basic sexual assault. The same rules for unwanted contact would apply even if the other person knows you are trans. The difficult area for trans people is that, if the other person is not aware of your status, then, even if they go along with it at first, you may not have lawful consent, which could result in serious trouble.
Not sure been talked about yet but hypothesis for the really pro transgender/trans woman believer here at almost any age .
U meet someone , u kiss (transgender) and you might even sleep (transgender) with them .
You have no idea of the “original” situation of that person .
Hell let’s go further , you go out for years with that trans woman ( they did a great job …) and wanting to have a child you learn well you know , I can’t have kids because
Id likely answer yes to this question, but i'd be curious your answer to the following. Should a woman who has had a hysterectomy or for some other reason is infertile also have to report that prior to dating? If not, what is the difference. If so, how would you document that into law?
Women who have had hysterectomies are females, obviously.
Id likely answer yes to this question, but i'd be curious your answer to the following. Should a woman who has had a hysterectomy or for some other reason is infertile also have to report that prior to dating? If not, what is the difference. If so, how would you document that into law?
''BuT sOmE wOmEn CaN't GeT pReGnAnT''.
Very difficult concept to grasp for the trans nuts.
Why do you play this make-believe game ITT? No supporters of trans people are even the tiniest bit confused about the biological facts here. Like if you want to accuse people of being nuts because of a totally fabricated straw man I guess ok, yet you persist in doing it over and over.
Not a good week for "trans visibility"
Haven't fact checked these tweets but they're from sizeable accounts and the sleuths in this thread should be able to dissect
2M followers
jfc, he's an engagement farmer not a journalist - you know fully well that tweet is bs
Not a good week for "trans visibility"
Haven't fact checked these tweets but they're from sizeable accounts and the sleuths in this thread should be able to dissect
I didn't read anything about the Georgia shooter being transgender. In fact, the opposite:
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration that transgender people were being accepted in society.
Some people are REALLY eager to rush to this thread any time anything bad happens that can be connected to a bad trans person. Don't let basic fact checking get in the way, just rush to the thread and tell us about the bad bad trans person.
This has to be a contender for worst possible data visualization. Sample size of 92 - 92!! - people in all of I'm guessing the UK here but let's not let that stop us from putting together an image of 2000 supposed trans people into the graphic!
Not a good week for "trans visibility"
Haven't fact checked these tweets but they're from sizeable accounts and the sleuths in this thread should be able to dissect
2M followers
This might be the most intellectually lazy post I’ve ever seen on this forum. “Idk if it’s real but it feels real!”
The UK allows rapists to transition when they are in jail. I imagine the skewed statistics have something to do with that cringe policy if anything.
I also imagine that the rate of males and females is higher but the crime is underreported.
Why do you play this make-believe game ITT? No supporters of trans people are even the tiniest bit confused about the biological facts here. Like if you want to accuse people of being nuts because of a totally fabricated straw man I guess ok, yet you persist in doing it over and over.
Anyone who believes that a man can “transition” into a woman and that a woman can “transition” into a man is definitely confused about biological facts.
Anyone who believes that a man can “transition” into a woman and that a woman can “transition” into a man is definitely confused about biological facts.
I think that a male can take hormones and hormones suppressors which will allow them to develop secondary sex characteristics, especially if started at a moderately younger age. These features can be further enhanced using facial feminization surgery, neovaginal surgery, breast implants, etc to the point that at least 25% of them will pass for a woman in the vast majority of situations.
If you deny these facts then you are denying biological reality.
Anyone who believes that a man can “transition” into a woman and that a woman can “transition” into a man is definitely confused about biological facts.
i think if you spent some time with some genuine trans instead the version newsmax fed you then you'd be surprised just how naturally you'll agree with their chosen gender and how much it is indeed a natural fit
i've never met a single trans who i felt was a someone masquerading or cosplaying as another gender
i've met plenty who did that, but then again i also wouldn't consider some guy with a beard who wears a sundress to the punk bar i go to and identifies as non-binary as trans - just the new version of goth i suppose
i wouldn't consider this person, who identifies as non-binary and bisexual to be trans
different, yes, but trans, no despite that he identifies as non-binary and these are his pronouns
he was also married to woman before divorcing and has a daughter with her
spending a lot of my weekends at bars where bands and patrons are of this mold, you meet a lot of these people, i don't consider them trans, just counter-culture - the new goth
Like I said earlier in this thread, it would be nice if people could experiment with gender and call themselves nonbinary or genderfluid without actually trying to seek out any legal status for their experimentation. That should be a thing that people can do without the society at large judging them for it. Where it becomes a problem is when a huge portion of Gen Z starts identifying as trans for a year and then drops it and says they "detransitioned" without ever taking a drop of hormones. Or when you have people that have these xenogenders and try to place themselves on the same level as a 10 year stealth trans woman who no one ever misgenders because they can't even tell she was a natal male.
Like I said earlier in this thread, it would be nice if people could experiment with gender and call themselves nonbinary or genderfluid without actually trying to seek out any legal status for their experimentation. That should be a thing that people can do without the society at large judging them for it. Where it becomes a problem is when a huge portion of Gen Z starts identifying as trans for a year and then drops it and says they "detr
agree 100%
this whole thing makes me think of bowie, he was very infamously bisexual and loved to perform in drag, other times presenting himself as androgynous as possible
he never said he was trans
nobody ever accused him of being trans
he was just bowie doing bowie things
he was just happy to do whatever and people were ok with it - something changed dramatically since then where you can't just be bowie anymore, you need to scream at your audience until they positively acknowledge your choice - otherwise they are fascit transphobic and hateful bigots
not sure what to make of this article, but it's definitely interesting
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/07/23...
Outside, his sprawling 1995 album – at 75 minutes, easily his longest and most difficult listen – which tells the story of a teenage girl’s drugging and mutilation, at the hands of a cult of internet ‘artists’ with heavily filtered avatars and altered bodies. Essentially, the album gives a chillingly accurate foretaste of today’s cult of gender.
i'm sure luciom would get a kick out of the fact that the magazine is often considered right-libertarian and yet it emerged as the phoenix of the Living Marxism once that collapsed after losing a libel suit - gotta wonder what luciom thinks about that 😀
Read what I ****ing quoted. His questions was SPECIFICALLY about someone going out with a trans person for years and finding out down the line that that person could not have children because of their trans status. My question is 100% valid in response to the question asked. If a woman had a hysterectomy and never told their partner and a few years down the line the partner wanted to have children, how would the answer to the question I asked change?
JFC
Read what I ****ing quoted. His questions was SPECIFICALLY about someone going out with a trans person for years and finding out down the line that that person could not have children because of their trans status. My question is 100% valid in response to the question asked. If a woman had a hysterectomy and never told their partner and a few years down the line the partner wanted to have children, how would the answer to the question I ask
I think he responded fine shrug .
Are we going in the direction that it’s more normal to go out with a man not being able to have kid then an actual woman not being able to have kids ?
Maybe I’m the one having a psychological problem not being able to have a male has a girlfriend even tho he got a “hole” between his legs .
Soon (couple decades ?) IA with a pussy will be reality , I guess they shall be considered real woman too even tho they couldn’t have babies ?
Anyway , a girl unable to have babies shouldn’t have to disclose it until ask .
But if ask and she lied well she is bad but I don’t think a law is necessary .
Should a man suffering from infertility disclose it ?
Same answer right ?
I think he responded fine shrug .
Are we going in the direction that it’s more normal to go out with a man not being able to have kid then an actual woman not being able to have kids ?
Maybe I’m the one having a psychological problem not being able to have a male has a girlfriend even tho he got a “hole” between his legs .
Soon (couple decades ?) IA with a pussy will be reality , I guess they shall be considered real woman too even tho they
That was my question to you. You started off your post asking whether there should be rules again not disclosing their trans status specifically because of their inability to have children down the line. To that, I asked if those rules should also apply to ANYONE (man, woman, transperson, etc) with an inability to have children. Should there be laws in place to enforce this for ALL people, or only for trans people? If the answer is no, then why is THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE (the inability to have children) only a problem for you when it comes to trans people? If the answer is yes, how do you envision a law would be written to enforce it, again, for all people.
Anyway , a girl unable to have babies shouldn’t have to disclose it until ask .
But if ask and she lied well she is bad but I don’t think a law is necessary .
So based on this, it seems like you would choose option A. Can you provide an answer to the question, why is it that you are seeking a law specifically for trans people outlining their infertility to a potential mate, but not non trans people?
