The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
That case is an example of a transwoman committing a crime and it counting towards female statistics. And it being reported by certain outlets simply as a woman killed a man completely leaving out the fact that it was a biological male at all. That's why it is relevant to the discussion uke it's not just any old example of a trans person committing a crime, keep up with the facts. In fact I'd doubt if the myriad of crimes that are actual
Oh, do tell, what is your objective quantifiable proof that males are "more perverted" lmao. I'll make some popcorn
Is an unwanted penis in the face a horrible thing that should never happen to anyone or is it a minor inconvenience? I really can't keep it straight with you guys
Either way you slice your bread, in your scenario, someone is put into a horrible situation (according to your very own logic)
For a trans woman using a male locker room or finding somewhere else to change is a minor inconvenience, it does not put her into a horrible situation in any way.
A woman seeing a man walk into her locker room is more than an inconvenience, and depending on the woman could be very traumatic. Maybe not all women will find it traumatic, but a significant number will, and changing the rules to make it more likely to happen could potentially lead to much worse.
As with most situations, there is a tradeoff. For me, between the convenience of trans women and the safety of women in general, it's not a close call.
uke, whenever you stop discussing the core argument and focus on rhetorical semantics is a good sign that you have literally no reasonable ground to stand upon
it's sad though because you probably aren't even self aware enough to realize that fact
It seems that you are agreeing you were wrong to say "ALL teammates" and instead are just dismissing my correction of you as "rhetorical semantics". Ok. But I don't have any other ground I'm trying to stand on, other than to get you properly reporting the basic facts of situation correctly which you keep failing to do.
again uke, you're smarter and better than this
let me tell you about the time i was so hungry i could have literally eaten a whole cow
For a trans woman using a male locker room or finding somewhere else to change is a minor inconvenience, it does not put her into a horrible situation in any way.
A woman seeing a man walk into her locker room is more than an inconvenience, and depending on the woman could be very traumatic. Maybe not all women will find it traumatic, but a significant number will, and changing the rules to make it more likely to happen could potentially le
No concern at all about the safety of trans women though. Its just a minor inconvenience for them to be forced into the same room as all those perverted predatory sex pest men.
You guys really can't keep your story straight
Unless you are trying to say that trans women are extremely likely to be predators, which would be, you know... bigoted.
Rather most of that increase is rising acceptance allowing people who are mostly straight to feel comfortable expressing some emotional or physical attraction to members of the same sex, ie bisexuality.
Its just cultural degradation.
The only people 'better off' in a more degenerate society are the degenerates. The tipping point, from which there is no return, is when they gain political power and start reforming the country to be more tolerant of them and their worldview, and the rest of 'good society' stuff goes down the drain with it. That's about where we're at, now, on the timeline.
The next milestone-stop on the timeline is when certain political beliefs are no longer 'discourse' but more of a 'diagnosis' that requires a response.
History shows us that part is not fun.
Also, I got a temp ban for 'violating the site's transgender policy' - would it be possible to get specific clarity on said transgender policy?
Maybe the policy statements themselves?
I don't want to violate it again.
That case is an example of a transwoman committing a crime and it counting towards female statistics. And it being reported by certain outlets simply as a woman killed a man completely leaving out the fact that it was a biological male at all. That's why it is relevant to the discussion uke it's not just any old example of a trans person committing a crime, keep up with the facts. In fact I'd doubt if the myriad of crimes that are actual
That this person identifies as trans was the second sentence of the linked article so uh...no reason for me to guess that was your secret issue with things.
Here's the thing, when you follow these issues for a while certain patterns emerge. One is what I'll call "bad trans person of the day". In the right wing anti-trans hate-o-sphere there is always some trans villian or other. Sometimes it is Lia Thomas (there is a certain obsession about her!), sometimes it is Dylan Mulvaney (another regular target), sometimes it is random actual bad people like murders or whatever. But it is this common pattern of bad trans person does sometimes real and sometimes made up bad things and we want to highlight the bad trans person of the day. It's just sad, especially when genuinely sick person like this particular bad trans person is what is being used to center the conversation of the day. Now if you really want to start diving into the issue of trans issue crime having minor distortions on statistics of crime among women well fine go ahead if that is what animates ya'll, but I'm going to point out what is actually happening here.
again uke, you're smarter and better than this
let me tell you about the time i was so hungry i could have literally eaten a whole cow
Ya buddy we all know you made a silly exaggeration. But maybe next time don't accuse me of lying for pointing out that you did so. As you say, you're better than this.
uke, you seriously need to go outside and touch grass if you think that's not normal human speech - you're either incredibly out of touch, posting in bad faith, or something that would probably get me in trouble if i said out loud
Also, I got a temp ban for 'violating the site's transgender policy' - would it be possible to get specific clarity on said transgender policy?
Maybe the policy statements themselves?
I don't want to violate it again.
I'm not a mod, but posts like this probably played a part.
Its just cultural degradation.
The only people 'better off' in a more degenerate society are the degenerates. The tipping point, from which there is no return, is when they gain political power and start reforming the country to be more tolerant of them and their worldview, and the rest of 'good society' stuff goes down the drain with it. That's about where we're at, now, on the timeline.
The next milestone-stop on the timeline is when cert
Implying that Trans people are "degenerates" that can cause a "tipping point of no return" by seeking "tolerance"
Yikes
That this person identifies as trans was the second sentence of the linked article so uh...no reason for me to guess that was your secret issue with things.
Here's the thing, when you follow these issues for a while certain patterns emerge. One is what I'll call "bad trans person of the day". In the right wing anti-trans hate-o-sphere there is always some trans villian or other. Sometimes it is Lia Thomas (there is a certain obsession about
Quality post
That this person identifies as trans was the second sentence of the linked article so uh...no reason for me to guess that was your secret issue with things.
Did I say all articles left out that this was a transwoman? No. Again you continue to be intentionally obtuse and disingenuous in just about every post you make.
In your mind since one article mentioned that this person was trans that means that no articles left out that fact? Stop being disingenuous it makes you look bad, no one is falling for it any more.
Also what's far more important in that case is that the crime is reported as and counted statistically as a female crime. Do you have a problem with that or no?
Is simplerick rickroll?
Weird overlap of posting tactic that involves posting a jumbled mess of words to insult people making reasonable points
Did I say all articles left out that this was a transwoman? No. Again you continue to be intentionally obtuse and disingenuous in just about everything post you make.
In your mind since one article mentioned that this person was trans that means that no articles left out that fact? Stop being disingenuous it makes you look bad, no one is falling for it any more.
Also what's far more important in that case is that the crime is reported as a
An article was posted. I don't know how anyone is supposed to guess - from an article that DOES mention she is trans - that the reason your believe the topic is relevant is because some uncited articles allegedly don't include that mention. I made my completely valid comment and you've just gone off on an entirely irrelevant direction.
Is simplerick rickroll?
Weird overlap of posting tactic that involves posting a jumbled mess of words to insult people making reasonable points
Yes I'm rickroll's gimmick account. rickroll isn't even really named Rick by the way he's a pretender. He's got his Rick pants on and wants everyone to think he's really a Rick, but he's not! rickroll is transrick and I will not allow him to have his posts be conflated with real Ricks, the cisricks of the world like myself!
But again you have a tenuous grasp on reality. I really find it amusing that you admitted that you have no idea which gender is more perverted. Like totally no way to quantify that even! I'm literally laughing out loud at you while I type this it's so funny to me that anyone could be so oblivious to reality.
An article was posted. I don't know how anyone is supposed to guess - from an article that DOES mention she is trans - that the reason your believe the topic is relevant is because some uncited articles allegedly don't include that mention. I made my completely valid comment and you've just gone off on an entirely irrelevant direction.
I did cite an article earlier in the thread. Want me to recite it every time I make a post?
Rickroll used to be fairly normal before he become obsessed with the transgender panic. A bit like cupee, actually.
Yes I'm rickroll's gimmick account. rickroll isn't even really named Rick by the way he's a pretender. He's got his Rick pants on and wants everyone to think he's really a Rick, but he's not! rickroll is transrick and I will not allow him to have his posts be conflated with real Ricks, the cisricks of the world like myself!
But again you have a tenuous grasp on reality. I really find it amusing that you admitted that you have no idea whic
Are you going to post a pew research page on "pervertedness of the sexes"? I'm sliding off the edge of my seat waiting for you post anything of substance
you caught me, and indeed i am a transrick
I'm certainly not going to recognize the opinion of a bunch of middle aged dudes who are offended by the thought of trans individuals simply existing having any sort of insight into the perversions of the general public.
Fetlife statistics are available and the data points to dudes using it as a platform to get laid while women are seeking people to facilitate their fetishes. Would that mean that women are more perverted?
"But dudes get boners and will **** anything" That isn't perversion
FetLife is a fetish site?
Probably not the best way to sample.
Doesn't seem too surprising that the woman on a fetish site are kinkier than the men but I don't think that's a reflection of the general population. I assume men find it easy to find willing women there and men are by and large interested in easy sex, whereas women can get sex anywhere so the ones going on a fetish site are doing so for a specific reason.
