Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Then I would do that, and you would expect me to I suppose as well.
I mean take vaping: I do vape indoor everywhere it's not explicitly forbidden (it isn't in many places in Italy) and if someone nearby complains idgaf .
I occasionally told tourists that thought it was illegal everywhere it wasn't out of courtesy (so they avoid future confrontations ) but that's about it
Some say that. Not in my experience
I'd be interested in a thread where only JB, PW and chez are allowed to post to see how the conversation develops.
We can be confident taht you wouldn't understand it. You would probably enjoy it.
we should. And sharks and batteries and elephants
So, anyway, TIL that being an effective enough communicator so that others understand what I am trying to say is not my sole responsibility, although it is my problem, whatever tf any of that means. Every day's a school day, thanks chaps.
Then I would do that, and you would expect me to I suppose as well.
I mean take vaping: I do vape indoor everywhere it's not explicitly forbidden (it isn't in many places in Italy) and if someone nearby complains idgaf .
I occasionally told tourists that thought it was illegal everywhere it wasn't out of courtesy (so they avoid future confrontations ) but that's about it
Many of us care about other people and try to be kind and respectful to others. You can choose to be a jerk for the sake of it, I guess.
Then I would do that, and you would expect me to I suppose as well.
I mean take vaping: I do vape indoor everywhere it's not explicitly forbidden (it isn't in many places in Italy) and if someone nearby complains idgaf .
I occasionally told tourists that thought it was illegal everywhere it wasn't out of courtesy (so they avoid future confrontations ) but that's about it
Got it. You refuse common courtesies unless they are required by law. If you are sitting on an airplane and someone asks you to close the window because the sun is casting a glare on their TV screen, you refuse if you would prefer to have the window open.
If your neighbor politely asks if you would turn the music down because she is trying to sleep, you refuse if you would prefer to have the music loud.
Please don't move anywhere near me.
I could argue that you have a moral imperative to try and understand what someone says when they are speaking to you.
Interestingly enough, I have no issues understanding what other posters are saying. I disagree with their points, but I understand what they are trying to convey.
there is no law that says I am responsible for people being able to understand me. of course that would be better if people could, but what is better and what is legally required are two different things.
Who said anything about a legal requirement? If you invented a language and then tried to speak that language to people on the subway, it wouldn't be a violation of law. It would just be a futile attempt at communication. And you would be entirely responsible for the fact that other people were unable to understand you.
Got it. You refuse common courtesies unless they are required by law. If you sitting on an airplane and someone asks you to close the window because the sun is casting a glare on their TV screen, you refuse if you would prefer to have the window open.
If your neighbor politely asks if you would turn the music down because she is trying to sleep, you refuse if you would prefer to have the music loud.
Please don't move anywhere near me.
No I refuse what for me is significant sacrifice (give up vaping) if it's not mandatory.
I open doors to women and so on as that's nice to do and doesn't cost to me.
Noise emissions are very precisely regulated at least in Italy and anyway for music isn't not costly for me to use headphones.
As for the plane light I can't answer as I always take that seat and always put it down (only way to sleep without being disturbed by people having to go to the bathroom and so on).
But to the shouting, if I am shouting to try to find my son I will keep shouting
If you are sitting on an airplane and someone asks you to close the window because the sun is casting a glare on their TV screen, you refuse if you would prefer to have the window open.
I understand and practice the niceties that make for a functioning, pleasant society. But why is someone's TV watching a priority over my enjoyment of looking out the window and getting some light? I sit by the window for a reason.
I understand and practice the niceties that make for a functioning, pleasant society. But why is someone's TV watching a priority over my enjoyment of looking out the window and getting some light? I sit by the window for a reason.
I can't tell if this is a serious comment or a dig at Luciom.
Clearly it’s serious.
Some people consider it rude to ask. Like very rude
I'm sure it's serious, I was thinking the same thing. Windows are a bigger priority on airplanes than are video screens. It's not every day that most people get an opportunity to view the world from high in the sky. You can go a few hours without watching a video which you can do any other time.
I agreed with your general point and other examples, but you're wrong about this one.
This discussion reminds me of a video I saw recently...
Luciom just wants to see the No Hammocks sign, guys. Its kind of adorable. ♥
Respond to them in incomprehensible word salad, keep the window open, then sit back smugly satisfied that not being able to understand you is their fault (or responsibility, or problem, or something - I get confused).
