Crime and Punishment
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Not commenting on individual cases but trying children as adults is tantamount to child abuse imo. Not mitigated by legality
I assume that was with the explicit permission of your parents? They didn't try to get you to give up the gun until you cited the second amendment.
If you had used the gun to commit a violent crime, I believe both you and your parents should have been prosecuted.
They used to give death sentences and life without parole to minors, not any more after two relatively recent (last 15 years or so) supreme court cases. Juveniles can't get death sentences or LWOP any more.
14 year old aiden fucci was charged as an adult in 2023 and given life. I could give you thousands of these examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...
so yea, maybe they tried to change somehing but they didnt.
14 year old aiden fucci was charged as an adult in 2023 and given life. I could give you thousands of these examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...
so yea, maybe they tried to change somehing but they didnt.
Maybe read what I wrote, then read your own link? He was given life with parole.
14 year old aiden fucci was charged as an adult in 2023 and given life. I could give you thousands of these examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...
so yea, maybe they tried to change somehing but they didnt.
It does say that the killer's sentence will be reviewed after 25 years, which seems to imply he could eventually be paroled.
I don't know enough about the supreme court cases mentioned to discuss how this may fit with those.
no parole and tried as an adult. what are we talking about here?
that hes been tried as an adult or that the death penatly is off the table for 14 year old? hes been tried as an adult, with 14! and this is no exeption, happens all the time.
It does say that the killer's sentence will be reviewed after 25 years, which seems to imply he could eventually be paroled.
I don't know enough about the supreme court cases mentioned to discuss how this may fit with those.
same bullshit, hes in prison for 25 years, becuase he did a crime at 14 year old. 25 is life btw in other countries like UK imo, at least in europe it is.
no parole and tried as an adult. what are we talking about here?
that hes been tried as an adult or that the death penatly is off the table for 14 year old? hes been tried as an adult, with 14! and this is no exeption, happens all the time.
The wiki page you linked does not say he was given life 'without parole', just that he was given a life sentence.
same bullshit, hes in prison for 25 years, becuase he did a crime at 14 year old. 25 is life btw in other countries like UK imo, at least in europe it is.
I don't know why people in Europe would call 25 years the same as a life sentence. In the US they are definitely different, and life expectancy is far higher than 39 years, even for the incarcerated.
no parole and tried as an adult. what are we talking about here?
that hes been tried as an adult or that the death penatly is off the table for 14 year old? hes been tried as an adult, with 14! and this is no exeption, happens all the time.
I'm going to say this one more time. He got life with parole eligibility after 25 years. "Case review" and parole are the same thing for the purposes of this discussion.
In the US juveniles cannot be given the death penalty or life without parole, even when tried as adults. I am not going to keep repeating this, so just re-read this post if you still don't understand.
I don't know why people in Europe would call 25 years the same as a life sentence. In the US they are definitely different, and life expectancy is far higher than 39 years, even for the incarcerated.
thats bc thats the max sentence usuall they give.
theyre not as mad as the us and give thousands of years, thats insane .
btw and nonsense.
"How many years is life sentence in Europe?
In most of Western Europe, for example, a “life sentence” actually means that after a minimum term of 12 to 25 years, the prisoner becomes eligible for parole. However, in most of Europe, prisoners who are considered to be dangerous can be sentenced to “indefinite detention” despite eligibility for parole."
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Not All “Life Sentences” Around the World Are Actually for Life
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Well it looks like western Europe has some non-intuitive definitions. But you have now been informed of what it means in the US.
Well it looks like western Europe has some non-intuitive definitions. But you have now been informed of what it means in the US.
In the UK, life sentences usually carry what is called a "minimum tariff", which is basically a parole eligibility term set by the judge at time of sentencing. However, we do have ~70 prisoners here serving "whole life" tariffs, which is basically natural life. Those are given out in the most egregious of cases - committing a murder after being released from prison for another violent crime, murder of a law enforcement officer, child/serial killers etc. I can't speak for the rest of Europe.
Whole life tariffs are subject to appeal and IIRC have been overturned in the past.
I'm going to say this one more time. He got life with parole eligibility after 25 years. "Case review" and parole are the same thing for the purposes of this discussion.
In the US juveniles cannot be given the death penalty or life without parole, even when tried as adults. I am not going to keep repeating this, so just re-read this post if you still don't understand.
hes not getting out, not for 25 years and probably not after that either.
what is the point of this debate? he was tried as an adult at age 14.
thats the point im making.
hes not getting out, not for 25 years and probably not after that either.
what is the point of this debate? he was tried as an adult at age 14.
thats the point im making.
Ok, you seem to be making a different point in every post you make, so it's hard to follow. Yes, he was tried as an adult. No, he could not have got the death penalty or life without parole. I'm not sure what you think was so terrible about him being tried as an adult for a thrill murder of a classmate.
hes not getting out, not for 25 years and probably not after that either.
what is the point of this debate? he was tried as an adult at age 14.
thats the point im making.
The point was that you said someone else was wrong about children not being given life without parole but it appears that you were the one wrong about that.
No one claimed that a 14yo in the US could not be tried as an adult.
thats bc thats the max sentence usuall they give.
theyre not as mad as the us and give thousands of years, thats insane .
btw and nonsense.
"How many years is life sentence in Europe?
In most of Western Europe, for example, a “life sentence” actually means that after a minimum term of 12 to 25 years, the prisoner becomes eligible for parole. However, in most of Europe, prisoners who are considered to be dangerous can be sentence
Sadly imo in the UK there's been a shift towards whole life sentences. That is the whole of life with no possibillity of parole. The European court didn't agree but we weren't bound by that ruling (even before brexit).
Sadly imo in the UK there's been a shift towards whole life sentences. That is the whole of life with no possibillity of parole. The European court didn't agree but we weren't bound by that ruling (even before brexit).
I think there are fewer than 100 prisoners in the UK serving whole life tariffs.
In the UK, life sentences usually carry what is called a "minimum tariff", which is basically a parole eligibility term set by the judge at time of sentencing. However, we do have ~70 prisoners here serving "whole life" tariffs, which is basically natural life. Those are given out in the most egregious of cases - committing a murder after being released from prison for another violent crime, murder of a law enforcement officer, child/serial
yea ok.. life tariffs stuff is given to minors, still basically. thats all Im saying.
you made it sound like its stuff from the past here imo.
They used to give death sentences and life without parole to minors, not any more after two relatively recent (last 15 years or so) supreme court cases. Juveniles can't get death sentences or LWOP any more.
not anymore? are we sure abou this? cant get?
technically you might be right, but in the real world they basically still get life, right? and now we could talk about if thats ok to treat a minor as an adult, which Im not convinced it is. 14 isnt an adult, right?
