Crime and Punishment
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Not commenting on individual cases but trying children as adults is tantamount to child abuse imo. Not mitigated by legality
I'm not sure and can't look it up right now but I doubt any state allows parents to give kids the right to walk around the house with handguns. In fact in some states if a kid finds a handgun under the bed or someplace and shoots someone the parent is charged with negligence of some sort just for allowing a kid access to a handgun without the parents permission.
dont be fooled into thinking that's not part of a very significant change of wind in the justice system.
Here's one of the latest bits:
The UK Ministry of Justice announced Tuesday its plans to further reform whole life orders, also known as life imprisonment, in the UK. Under these changes, those who have committed crimes and are awaiting their sentence can be given a whole life order, regardless of if the offense is committed before this legislation is put into place.
This announcement means that reforms previously announced by the UK government regarding whole life orders will now apply to active cases. In light of the changes, judges will now be expected to give these sentences “where it is a possibility[,] unless there are exceptional circumstances not to.” Additionally, whole life orders can only be terminated if there are “exceptional compassionate grounds” to release the prisoner.
https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/10/uk-t...
Maybe you approve.
dont be fooled into thinking that's not part of a very significant change in the justice system.
Here's one of the latest bits:
https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/10/uk-t...
Maybe you approve.
I was not aware of this, and I do not approve.
lol
cmon man! they stuck him in a regular mens prison at age 14 for life!
with other lifers. wtf?
and youre coming in hot with " oh minors dont get life and death sentences!" which is lol
they do: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023...
the only thing youre right about is that they dont receive death sentences anymore, the parole part is debatable.
‘This crime had no motive’: Aiden Fucci sentenced to life in murder of Tristyn Bailey"
lol
cmon man! they stuck him in a regular mens prison at age 14 for life!
with other lifers. wtf?
and youre coming in hot with " oh minors dont get life and death sentences!" which is lol
they do: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023...
the only thing youre right about is that they dont receive death sentences anymore, the parole part is debatable.
Again, you can't read. Read my posts again, very slowly, and you'll discover that what you quoted me saying is not what I said.
Also, who said he was going to an adult prison at 14? You made that part up.
Again, you can't read. Read my posts again, very slowly, and you'll discover that what you quoted me saying is not what I said.
Also, who said he was going to an adult prison at 14? You made that part up.
thats what it says here
"Larizza said when the time comes, Fucci will not be transferred to a Department of Juvenile Justice facility but will instead go directly to a Florida State Prison."
see d2? adult male prison thats where hes at.
"– The teen convicted of brutally killing his schoolmate on Mother's Day in 2021 is now in prison for his life sentence. Aiden Fucci, 16, was booked at the Suwannee Correctional Institution in Live Oak on Friday. The male adult prison has a capacity of 1,109 inmates.25.03.2023"
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Aiden Fucci booked into Suwannee Correctional Institution
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see d2? adult male prison thats where hes at.
"– The teen convicted of brutally killing his schoolmate on Mother's Day in 2021 is now in prison for his life sentence. Aiden Fucci, 16, was booked at the Suwannee Correctional Institution in Live Oak on Friday. The male adult prison has a capacity of 1,109 inmates.25.03.2023"
[URL="https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/03/25/breaking-aiden-fucci-booked-into-prison/"]
So, he went to prison at 16, not 14, correct?
14 year olds don't go to adult prisons. 16 year olds sometimes do.
Washoe: a 14 year old got sentenced to life without parole and sent to adult prison
d2: He was sentenced to life with parole and sent to adult prison when he was 16
Washoe: (after going round in circles for 100 posts): same thing
Did the system actually do anything about the kid when he was 12? There should have at least been some kind of checking for firearms in the house.
He got probation and probably kept his new piece at home while meeting the probation officer.
yes, so whats with the parole bs? it doesnt even say that.
he got life at age 14, when youre 14, 25 is life, right?
No. It's 25 years.
A 25 years sentence is a life sentence in Europe. In Gernmany it's 15 years
It is in Europe as well.
It's a bit of abuse of language because there's no guarantee of release and you are still subject to the sentence after release from prison.
Possibly but I just responded to the bit about 25 years commonly being called life.
I'd prefer the more correct philosophical answer but on this occasion I think it would be untrue. 25 years is life for a 14 (or 16) year old. 10 years probably is as well
Possibly but I just responded to the bit about 25 years commonly being called life.
I'd prefer the more correct philosophical answer but on this occasion I think it would be untrue. 25 years is life for a 14 (or 16) year old. 10 years probably is as well
No. It's 25 years. It might seem like life at sentencing, but it certainly won't if/when he gets out at 35-40 and gets to start over. There are plenty of people in the US serving natural life who have been locked up since the 70s and 80s and have basically lived their whole adult life in prison. That's a life sentence. 25 years is not a life sentence. Some of the youtubers I watch have got out after serving 25-35 years on a life sentence, and trust me, they will tell you that 25, even 35 years is not life.
Oh you want to do the untrue but correct philosophical bit. Some how I doubt it but ok
It should be true that 25 years is life because engilsh law is based on personhood not on the physical body. That person is long dead and buried.
Unfortuantely I dont think that is the reason that the average sentence served for life in the uk is less than 20 years. At least not the concious reason. It may underpin the reason why parole boards come to the conclusion that enough time has passed even if they don't realise it.
Oh you want to do the untrue but correct philosophical bit. Some how I doubt it but ok
It should be true that 25 years is life because engilsh law is based on personhood not on the physical body. That person is long dead and buried.
Unfortuantely I dont think that is the reason that the average sentence served for life in the uk is less than 20 years. At least not the concious reason. It may underpin the reason why parole boards come to the c
Huh?
Are any of us really the same person we were even five years ago?
Oh you want to do the untrue but correct philosophical bit. Some how I doubt it but ok
It should be true that 25 years is life because engilsh law is based on personhood not on the physical body. That person is long dead and buried.
Unfortuantely I dont think that is the reason that the average sentence served for life in the uk is less than 20 years. At least not the concious reason. It may underpin the reason why parole boards come to the c
I think anyone locked in a high security prison would be a very different person after just one year, but that doesn't mean a 1 year prison sentence should be considered a life sentence.
Oh you want to do the untrue but correct philosophical bit. Some how I doubt it but ok
It should be true that 25 years is life because engilsh law is based on personhood not on the physical body. That person is long dead and buried.
Unfortuantely I dont think that is the reason that the average sentence served for life in the uk is less than 20 years. At least not the concious reason. It may underpin the reason why parole boards come to the c
Dude, are you high?
