Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I'm laughing at Dunyain calling other people "Islamofascists".
My man, you are, by any reasonable definition, fascism-adjacent and an Islamophobe. Didn't some old probably mythical hippie tell you types something about not casting the first stone?
I do find it amusing that your "excuse" for your first no/low content personal attack post after gangstaman asked you to stop was you didn't see the post. But then you made 3 more personal attack posts right after anyways.
Meh. She was just following the talking points her lawyers provided her with. I dont think this is really a win for anyone. Universities need less censorship, not more.
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying and harassment?
CLAUDINE GAY: The rules around bullying and harassment are quite specific. And if the context in which that language is used, amounts to bullying and harassment, then we take — we take action against it.
ELISE STEFANIK: Can you say yes to that question of, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying and harassment?
CLAUDINE GAY: Calling for the genocide of Jews is anti-Semitic.
ELISE STEFANIK: So yes?
CLAUDINE GAY: And that is anti-Semitic speech. And as I have said, when speech —
ELISE STEFANIK: And it’s a yes?
CLAUDINE GAY: Crosses into conduct —
ELISE STEFANIK: And it’s a yes. I’ve asked the witnesses —
CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses — when speech crosses into conduct, we take action.
ELISE STEFANIK: So, is that a yes? Is that a yes? The witness hasn’t answered, Madam Chair. Is that a yes? You cannot answer the question.
CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses into conduct —
VIRGINIA FOXX: I’m — I’m sorry.
CLAUDINE GAY: We take action.
VIRGINIA FOXX: I’m — I’m sorry, Dr. Gay. I have to cut you off.
CLAUDINE GAY: Of course.
People that like to actually discuss topics and dont want to get bogged down with personal attacks might find the 'ignore' function more useful for that reason.
Oh, is this what BOIDS and metsandfins are doing? Ah, that classic topic discusser BOIDS, he of the "ignoring half the forum because he gets sad at what they say" and "one-liner drive-by quips about Holocaust enjoyers" ilk
I'm laughing at Dunyain calling other people "Islamofascists".
My man, you are, by any reasonable definition, fascism-adjacent and an Islamophobe. Didn't some old probably mythical hippie tell you types something about not casting the first stone?
You dont think Hamas and Hezbollah are Islamosfasicsts?
you're not on ignore
I disagree with myrna. I disagree with slighted. I disagree with trolly
None of them are in ignore
The people who call me a Nazi and call me racist and say i should be ashamed that i work with minority students are on ignore because they don't want to debate. They decided to pigeon hole me as a racist and even after i put them on ignore they constantly talk about me and still accuse me of these things
They are spreading hateful propoganda. They do not want to have a discussion. They are hate mongers
You are upset that Hamas and Hezbollah are taking an L.
No one thins for one second you are outraged because innocent bystanders might have been in danger. Your homeboy Putin is firing hypersonic missiles into populated cities and you couldn't care less.
Are you aware your own government had a $5 million bounty on this guys head? Too bad he was killed by another government which means the bounty wont be collected. It would be doubly swee
no, as much as the Gaza violence sickens me, I dont know any of those people. but I dont want my family and friends to become collateral damage.
why would I care about Hamas or Hez leaders? those guys die all the time and get replaced easily. I would be much sadder for the 17 year old freedom fighter doing heroic things than the rich polician.
your main problem is that you project your own ideas on me rather than read my words.
I don't assume that, and I've already explained why. More than once. Let's drop this idiocy until you learn to read.
Also, good job on ascribing a quote to me that I never said.
"Lol here's what you said": Quote:
I never wrote this. It doesn't even make sense for me to have written this given the context of our conversation. Also, I'd always capitalize Middle Easterners within that context. Did you quote somebody else in your rush to impo
You did write it, those are direct quotes from your posts.
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Oh my bad, I'm not "on ignore", you instead manually ignore all of the posts critical of whatever evil bullshit you're spewing out at that moment. Enjoy your victory :p
what's to discuss, we clearly dont agree on anything
if i poke at you then you're probably going to get yourself all worked up and perma'd, and i want you around - i have been a big fan of yours ever since you took luckbox to task over his blithering idiocy re sandy hook crisis actors
To some degree, sure. I definitely don't like or support either group, although I also understand the IDF is ALSO a malignant actor and even more morally broken than the former groups.
(Huh, it's almost like whatever moron said I engaged in solely black-and-white thinking [think it was Sandy Hook truther Luckbox Inc] ignored the times I said the above in the past)
But you called VICTOR an Islamofascist (and, by extension, pretty much all of the left), not only Hamas and Hezbollah. I mean, it makes zero sense on its face, because fascism is a right-wing nationalist/capitalist combination movement devoted towards the destruction of the left, but, you know, I get that's not a distinction discussed frequently on catturd2's Twitter page or whatever other sewer in which you hang.
You did write it, those are direct quotes from your posts.
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none of that comes anywhere remotely close to proving your claim about... well, ****, I forget, it was so stupid that I'm afraid my brain has rejected the memory
Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and wait for you to apologize for misattributing a quote to me that I never said (as was clearly laid out in earlier posts). Dunyain explained why he did that to me, and I believe him when he says it wasn't intentional. You're a little less honest than Dunyain, though, ain't ya?
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying and harassment?
CLAUDINE GAY: The rules around bullying and harassment are quite specific. And if the context in which that language is used, amounts to bullying and harassment, then we take — we take action against it.
ELISE STEFANIK: Can you say yes to that question of, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying a
This supports my point. It seems pretty obvious her counsel told her to reply, "When speech crosses into conduct, we take action," to pretty much any question along these lines; and she didn't really have a Plan B for when her interrogator didn't accept this.
I guess at this point, after the way they have conducted themselves in the last few years I don't really expect more from the President of an Ivy League University, so seems pretty meh to take 2 of them out for acting completely predictably.
ELISE STEFANIK: Dr. Gay does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying and harassment?
CLAUDINE GAY: The rules around bullying and harassment are quite specific. And if the context in which that language is used, amounts to bullying and harassment, then we take — we take action against it.
ELISE STEFANIK: Can you say yes to that question of, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying a
lol, wait, I've been ignoring the Ivy League stuff, because I have no affinity towards anybody involved, but is THIS the damning thing that the right has made hay out of for weeks now?!?!?
All I see is Stefanik not engaging with what this Gay lady said in order to go for a viral sound bite moment (mission accomplished).
ELISE STEFANIK: Can you say yes to that question of, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard’s rules on bullying and harassment?
CLAUDINE GAY: Calling for the genocide of Jews is anti-Semitic.
That should be the end of that line of inquiry. Calling for the genocide of Jewish people is antisemitic; expressed public antisemitism is surely against Harvard's rules. Gay's answer WAS basically "yes", but, as things are often not as simple as yes or no, felt it necessary to expound further, but couldn't, as Stefanik keep screeching away.
ELISE STEFANIK: So yes?
ELISE STEFANIK: And it’s a yes?
ELISE STEFANIK: And it’s a yes. I’ve asked the witnesses —
ELISE STEFANIK: So, is that a yes? Is that a yes? The witness hasn’t answered, Madam Chair. Is that a yes? You cannot answer the question.
please tell me you morons don't think Stefanik is cooking here and that there's something else to the Ivy League thing
i also did not look into that , but this is what the big hooplah is about ?
the thing is , people cant be critical about Israel it seems because they get cancelled, even if its with a valid reason. She was discovered to have plagiarized, which is obviously wrong , but if she just answered yes , would this have been unearthed or researched ?
That should be the end of that line of inquiry. Calling for the genocide of Jewish people is antisemitic; expressed public antisemitism is surely against Harvard's rules.
the hoopla was due to the above bolded part
it turned out that expressed public antisemitism was not necessarily against their rules
i also did not look into that , but this is what the big hooplah is about ?
the thing is , people cant be critical about Israel it seems because they get cancelled, even if its with a valid reason. She was discovered to have plagiarized, which is obviously wrong , but if she just answered yes , would this have been unearthed or researched ?
People can be critical of Israel
Students screaming death the jews isn't critical of Israel
Yes she deserves to be fired for the plagiarism and yes that probably wouldn't have been discovered if not for the other controversy
the hoopla was due to the above bolded part
it turned out that expressed public antisemitism was not necessarily against their rules
there was no expressed antisemitism so it was just a stupid loaded question.
and ofc any alleged antisemitism should be reviewed and assessed.
Claudine was not strong enough pushing back on the Zio-fascists. that was her problem.
lol NYT and lol all the racist idiots that keep believing its bullshit. you people will never learn.
Scholarly help request.
Does anyone understand this reference to the "Temple of Moriah?"
Albert Antebi was a turn-of-the-century Palestinian Jew who opposed Zionism. He welcomed Jewish immigration, but thought they should learn Arabic and become Ottoman citizens. He said:
I want to be a Jewish deputy in the Ottoman Parliament and not in the Hebrew Temple of Moriah.
I get that "Temple of Moriah" is a derogatory phrase for the emerging Jewish state, but I don't get the Moriah part. What's the "Moriah" business, other than a mountain in the bible?
Yes it really does and you never answered my question about why you consider Arabs brown people...suburbia boy. 😀
Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and wait for you to apologize for misattributing a quote to me that I never said (as was clearly laid out in earlier posts). Dunyain explained why he did that to me, and I believe him when he says it wasn't intentional. You're a little less honest than Dunyain, though, ain't ya?
I've nothing to apologise for as again, those are direct quotes from your own posts, which you posted yourself, and I'm not interested in your gaslighting.
The Jewish Temple was on Mount Moriah
Where the dome of the rock currently stands is on Mt Moriah
If the question is serious maybe there was talk of overtaking the temple mount and rebuilding a 3rd temple and he opposed this? I'm just speculating why he might make that statement
