Israel/Palestine thread
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LOL. Even Al Jazeera admits Hezbollah more or less operates as a state within a state where the assassination happened.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/3/...
"A drone strike in Beirut’s southern suburbs of Dahiyeh, a Hezbollah stronghold, killed senior Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri on Tuesday."
LOL. LOL. LOL.
Victor's homeboy Putin has indiscriminately killed about 15,000 civilians in Ukraine in the current war, and Victor has almost 1,500 posts in the Ukraine thread, and none of them have shown any concern over this.
And now he is concern trolling that some civilians may have been hurt by Israel taking out 2 Hamas leaders in Hezbollah controlled Beiurut.
Too good.
Not a surprise
LOL. Even Al Jazeera admits Hezbollah more or less operates as a state within a state where the assassination happened.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/3/...
"A drone strike in Beirut’s southern suburbs of Dahiyeh, a Hezbollah stronghold, killed senior Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri on Tuesday."
Lebanon’s caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati condemned the attack on the Beruit suburb and said it was a “new Israeli crime” as well as an attempt to pull Lebanon into the war.
Lol
Hezbollah has entered the war. Israeli citizens near the Lebanon borderer evacuated weeks ago after rocket fire
As usual .. enemy shoots rockets, Israeli responds , get told they are starting a war
You really can't make it up
Lol
Hezbollah has entered the war. Israeli citizens near the Lebanon borderer evacuated weeks ago after rocket fire
As usual .. enemy shoots rockets, Israeli responds , get told they are starting a war
You really can't make it up
You didn't mention that Hezbollah is firing rockets from strongholds in Lebanon south of the line they promised not to cross as part of the last cease fire agreement; that they ignored and violated before the ink had dried.
It'll be interesting to see in 5 more years if it becomes abundantly clear that the Axis of Resistance (Putin, Xi, Khomeini, Sinwar, Jong Un etc. ) are exactly what they appear they are.
Really good podcasts out there right now discussing the smaller spread out conflicts melting up into just one big conflict between the West and the Axis. It's just going to lead to name-calling speculation today itt. But in time it's going to potentially be
Which podcasts? I don't think that's going to happen, but I'm interested in listening to them.
In regards to Hezbollah, this could be completely wrong of course, but all the armchair "experts" on X think it likely Hezbollah does nothing about this. Hezbollah are more tightly controlled by Tehran (and Russia), and Putin and the mullahs dont want Hezbollah opening up a new front with Israel. Also, this is on top of the very real likelihood Hezbollah would be diminished to a shell of itself after a direct confrontation with Israel (even if it technically "won" by surviving), which it doesn't seem like its leadership wants to happen.
I doubt they (Hezbollah, Iran, Putin) even wanted the Hamas attack of 10/7 to happen at all, and I suspect were as blindsided by it as every one else.
When looking at defense, most countries always prepare for the worst. It's also built into USA's system of government for better or worse. For example, the war games regarding defending Taiwan deal with scenarios like N. Korea attacking S. Korea as China begins to invade. The reason for this type of planning should be pretty clear.
In reality, most countries have their own interests, and those interests far outweigh cooperation which might involve delaying self interests. That doesn't mean that it's impossible for things to eventually line up between those countries, or for someone with more long term planning seeing that it is extremely beneficial to delay their plans. If Putin wasn't getting too old to rebuild the USSR, and he had the time to wait for China and Iran, things might be very different.
For Israel, the fear that all of their enemies align and overwhelm the Iron Dome is real. Even the cheap rockets fired by Iran's proxies could overwhelm the system if Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas (or their inevitable successor) were able to combine forces. I think that Hamas was hoping for this, but failed. Just because it didn't happen this time doesn't mean that it couldn't in the future, and when the worst case scenario is the destruction of your entire country, it's an outcome one has to prepare for no matter how unlikely it is.
LOL. Even Al Jazeera admits Hezbollah more or less operates as a state within a state where the assassination happened.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/3/...
"A drone strike in Beirut’s southern suburbs of Dahiyeh, a Hezbollah stronghold, killed senior Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri on Tuesday."
who cars if its Hezbollah stronghold whatever that means? they dont run the country nor do they run Beirut. not a single rocket has been launched by Lebanon nor from Beirut.
I mean ffs you guys would have an aneurysm if Hezbollah launched missiles at Tel Aviv and assassinate some high level Israeli terrorist. and I hope to god they are just returning rhetoric and dont return missiles, even tho Israeli leaders absolutely deserve to get incinerated. I just dont want the rubes like mets and his family to get hurt, as despicable and racist and supremacist as he is.
you guys are fine with anyone near getting blasted bc you are bloodthirsty monsters.
ya maybe Hamas shot them.
thanks for actually reading and giving me a chance. most people never read my posts and act like I dont give evidence. I cite more than anyone on this forum.
people call this a war but if an Israeli general was killed in the same way in tel aviv could you believe the outrage ?
When looking at defense, most countries always prepare for the worst. It's also built into USA's system of government for better or worse. For example, the war games regarding defending Taiwan deal with scenarios like N. Korea attacking S. Korea as China begins to invade. The reason for this type of planning should be pretty clear.
In reality, most countries have their own interests, and those interests far outweigh cooperation which might i
Thank you
Said much clearer than I've been able to say
Thank you. I asked for videos and you provided them. IDK if they depict what you say they do but at least you weren't making up that the videos existed.
Of course they dont depict what he claims. None of his videos do. They are all after affects, where we have no clue what actually happened.
who cars if its Hezbollah stronghold whatever that means? they dont run the country nor do they run Beirut. not a single rocket has been launched by Lebanon nor from Beirut.
I mean ffs you guys would have an aneurysm if Hezbollah launched missiles at Tel Aviv and assassinate some high level Israeli terrorist. and I hope to god they are just returning rhetoric and dont return missiles, even tho Israeli leaders absolutely deserve to get i
Hezbollah is a state within a state that (along with the Palestinians) has turned Lebanon into a giant pile of ****. Lebanon was the jewel of the Middle East, then the Palestinians and foreign linked militias came, ran out all the Jews and foreign investment, turned the country into a war zone against Israel, and now Lebanon is a complete shell of its former glory.
There is actually a super fancy (originally Jewish owned) hospital in Beverly Hills that used to be called "Cedars of Lebanon" and then when the Palestinians and Hezbollah came and turned Lebanon into an Islamofascist antisemitic shithole they had to change the name to Cedars of Sinai, because who the hell would want to name their hospital after a country being run into the ground by Islamofascist terrorist groups.
At this point Lebanon is a cautionary tale of the danger of allowing Palestinian and Iran linked terrorist groups to operate in your country, which is a big reason despite all the rhetoric of support, so many nations in the Middle East treat Palestinians themselves like they have the plague.
ya maybe Hamas shot them.
thanks for actually reading and giving me a chance. most people never read my posts and act like I dont give evidence. I cite more than anyone on this forum.
Everyone gets a chance with me. It happens that I'm a secular Jew who, how shall I say it, would never accept a fellow jew will murder in a cruel manner even in a war. However, if proven, I'd believe it but since I'd consider it an extraordinary claim I'd need extraordinary proof.
Hezbollah is a state within a state that (along with the Palestinians) has turned Lebanon into a giant pile of ****. Lebanon was the jewel of the Middle East, then the Palestinians and foreign linked militias came, ran out all the Jews and foreign investment, turned the country into a war zone against Israel, and now Lebanon is a complete shell of its former glory.
There is actually a super fancy (originally Jewish owned) hospital in Beve
Lebanon is doing a lot better than it did since like 1980. and how many times did Israel invade and devastate large portions of it? I gotta think that Israel did more damage than Hezbollah could have ever dreamed of doing.
Victor mostly posts Telegram and Twitter propaganda videos straight from Hamas that never show what he claims they do.
You take plenty of liberties yourself in "interpreting" what happened versus what is actually proven to have happened (IMO), but even then I think you and he have very different concepts of what "citation" means.
Everyone gets a chance with me. It happens that I'm a secular Jew who, how shall I say it, would never accept a fellow jew will murder in a cruel manner even in a war. However, if proven, I'd believe it but since I'd consider it an extraordinary claim I'd need extraordinary proof.
why dont you think a Jew would be cruel? do you think Jews are any different than any other person on the planet?
and, theres a lot of evidence for years of Israel Jews doing awful things by their own volition. have you seen the film Tantura? which is an entirely Jewish production.
Victor mostly posts Telegram and Twitter propaganda videos straight from Hamas that never show what he claims they do.
You take plenty of liberties yourself in "interpreting" what happened versus what is actually proven to have happened (IMO), but even then I think you and he have very different concepts of what "citation" means.
I use Israeli sources more than anything really. they love bragging about their crimes.
Lebanon is doing a lot better than it did since like 1980. and how many times did Israel invade and devastate large portions of it? I gotta think that Israel did more damage than Hezbollah could have ever dreamed of doing.
Islamofasicsts, including Hezbollah and the Palestinians, have destroyed Lebanon from the inside out. Much worse destruction than anything Israel could ever inflict.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/lebano...
The first line of this PBS article from July 2023 I think sums things up pretty succinctly:
"Lebanon has become, for all intents and purposes, a failed state."
