ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
I don’t really care where you think I get my news plus the fact that you claimed I get it from two sites I’ve never been on lead me ignoring you. If you really want to know I’d say a massive majority comes from wsj, fox & cnn. What about you?
"Jewish buildings", lol
I had a great time at the Knesset building's Bat Mitzvah!
Don't ever forget this. You all voted for this. You wanted this. You deserve this.
Biden's America
I didn't vote for anybody. It's cool that we're out of Afghanistan, though, which Trump was too cowardly to do (he would say we should, then his "handsome generals" told him it would make him look bad, so he forgot about it).
Regardless, I, too, long for the Trump nirvana that was 2020.
Not much sums up MAGA chud better than the petulant outrage to Green Day updating their lyrics for American idiot last night
The song was literally an anthem for how much they hated dubya. Not sure why you’re so mad now
Researcher for Trump confirms: The hunt for election fraud didn’t go especially well
Ken Block, the owner of Simpatico Software Systems:
“Trump paid me to find voter fraud. Then he lied after I found 2020 election wasn’t stolen.”
Block, a former Republican gubernatorial candidate in his home state of Rhode Island,
explained not only that his investigation failed to turn up meaningful evidence of voter fraud,
but also that his company’s findings have been shared with congressional, federal and state investigators.
Block added that rank-and-file GOP voters have been fed “a steady diet of
innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud."
Trump and his team were presented with these findings many months ago. They kept lying anyway.
Doesn't matter. The Trumpkins only care about feelings, not facts.
Block added that rank-and-file GOP voters have been fed “a steady diet of
innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud."
First off, I don't think the election was stolen via voter fraud. However, that isn't to say there isn't more voter fraud than what we are led to believe (and we are lead to believe there are almost no instances of voter fraud).
How do we detect if a crime was committed for a crime that we are almost trying not to detect and has no reliable way to catch most of the ways a crime is committed after that fact? If I used some family and friends names to vote 4 years ago how would anyone catch it if they started looking now?
First off, I don't think the election was stolen via voter fraud. However, that isn't to say there isn't more voter fraud than what we are led to believe (and we are lead to believe there are almost no instances of voter fraud).
How do we detect if a crime was committed for a crime that we are almost trying not to detect and has no reliable way to catch most of the ways a crime is committed after that fact? If I used some family and friends
Do you have a reason for thinking that voter fraud was committed, other than "Trump said so?" If so, whatever that reason is, it should give you a good pointer where to start looking.
Usually, that's how it works when investigating crimes. First, you have some indication that a crime was committed, like a dead body or a live victim or a witness statement, or something like that. Then you go from there and start investigating.
First off, I don't think the election was stolen via voter fraud. However, that isn't to say there isn't more voter fraud than what we are led to believe (and we are lead to believe there are almost no instances of voter fraud).
How do we detect if a crime was committed for a crime that we are almost trying not to detect and has no reliable way to catch most of the ways a crime is committed after that fact? If I used some family and friends
How much fraud did the Florida (Florida!!) Election Integrity Office uncover?
First off, I don't think the election was stolen via voter fraud. However, that isn't to say there isn't more voter fraud than what we are led to believe (and we are lead to believe there are almost no instances of voter fraud).
How do we detect if a crime was committed for a crime that we are almost trying not to detect and has no reliable way to catch most of the ways a crime is committed after that fact? If I used some family and friends
there were extremely motivated people spending millions of dollars to find your fraud and it doesn't exist.. now those people are all losing court cases about their lies.. lol
Do you have a reason for thinking that voter fraud was committed, other than "Trump said so?" If so, whatever that reason is, it should give you a good pointer where to start looking.
Usually, that's how it works when investigating crimes. First, you have some indication that a crime was committed, like a dead body or a live victim or a witness statement, or something like that. Then you go from there and start investigating.
I’ve been saying we should do more to detect voter fraud for ~10 years on 2p2. It isn’t like trump prompted this.
For many types of voter fraud you could have someone admit they voted illegally and you’d still have no way to prove they aren’t lying so how does one investigate it after the fact.
Where they the ones who found a woman had been voting in 2 different states for 10+ years?
there were extremely motivated people spending millions of dollars to find your fraud and it doesn't exist.. now those people are all losing court cases about their lies.. lol
There is no smoking gun after the fact when it comes to many types of voter fraud.
I’ve been saying we should do more to detect voter fraud for ~10 years on 2p2. It isn’t like trump prompted this.
Yeah, with stuff like this going on:
Where they the ones who found a woman had been voting in 2 different states for 10+ years?
There could easily be dozens of undiscovered fraudulent votes out there!!
Seriously though, there likely are thousands of mistakes and fraudulent votes among the tens of millions of legitimate votes. It'll never be perfect. But resources are also limited, so a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Is there a reason to believe the line is at the wrong place now?
was there any real voting fraud problems in the US for the last like 50 years if not more ?
Beside conspiracy theories promoted by trump, what evidence there is a higher problem of voting fraud today compare to before ?
I’ve been saying we should do more to detect voter fraud for ~10 years on 2p2. It isn’t like trump prompted this.
For many types of voter fraud you could have someone admit they voted illegally and you’d still have no way to prove they aren’t lying so how does one investigate it after the fact.
I don't really understand why you think voter fraud is in some sort of unique category of crime. How does any of what you said apply to voter fraud but not, e.g. bank fraud, identity theft, or any other type of fraud? As with all crime, measures are taken to prevent, detect, and investigate. If you feel that these measures are insufficient, then you need to state what they currently are, and what you think they should be, rather than just throwing out some vague notion that your spidey senses tell you that there is large scale voter fraud happening under our very noses.
It is different. We dont generally demand evidence of fraud before we develop the fraud prevention/detection methods. It's also generally a bad mistake to demand evidence of systemic abuse before measures are put in place.
Voting systems are a very unusal case.
It is different. We dont generally demand evidence of fraud before we develop the fraud prevention/detection methods. It's also generally a bad mistake to demand evidence of systemic abuse before measures are put in place.
Voting systems are a very unusal case.
Are you saying that there are no voting fraud prevention/detection methods in place? I find this assertion to be highly suspect.
No I would not say that.
I don't think there needs to be evidence of significant amounts of fraud in order to work on improving election security, but there certainly does need to be evidence to consider reversing election results, or for making pronouncements that an election was stolen.
Didn't Trump's own Attorney General (Bill Barr) say that the 2020 presidential election was the most secure (least fraudulent) one the country has ever had?
Usually we (should) develop systems under the assumption they will be under attack from fraud/etc . We dont ask for evidence that they have already failed
It is different. We dont generally demand evidence of fraud before we develop the fraud prevention/detection methods. It's also generally a bad mistake to demand evidence of systemic abuse before measures are put in place.
There also needs to be a cost/benefit analysis for these methods. Some states are now spending (additional) millions of dollars to turn up a handful of cases. And most of what they find are just honest mistakes.
