Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread

bryce, i discovered a week ago my closest neighbor out here is a transwoman and her "straight" boyfriend

the alphabet army is everywhere

Im not sure what you mean by strategic play. Im debating whether to delete or simply move about 300 off topic posts from the mod thread if that's what you mean. If you are referring to the ban on calling all transgender people mentally ill, it wasnt any sort of strategic play. But it has played out about how I anticipated it would.

All change, whether for the better or worse, is equally resisted.

Holy ****, just stop being dicks to people honestly how hard is that

by spaceman Bryce k

am i that guy in your mind or are you trying to ask me if i'll do a kpop dance with you?

Bryce, I don’t enjoy causing people harm. I’m no sadist. I see reality checks as a necessary evil.

You missed a comma. But that is mightily free of the things you missed.

OK. I said I wasntgoing to move or delete all the off topic posts and asked everyone to stop posting them in the mod thread. Unfortunately they kept on for over 100 more posts. So I moved a ton of them to the general discussion thread. If a few posts that shouldnt have been moved got caught up in the move, sorry but it happens.

Basically if I saw a reference to cutting, Kansas or grammar I checked it to be moved. But as I said, moving so many off topic posts requires a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel.

Please take all the off topic discussions to the other thread. Rather than allow such an overwhelming mass to accumulate again I will prob just delete them as I see them rather than move them. So please save yourself the anguish of seeing a post of yours deleted and just put it in the correct thread in the first place.

Thanks to all of thee for thine (or is it thy) understanding.

PS: while I never lived in Overton Park I did live in Leavenworth for a year 😀

You may be more intelligent than I have been giving you credit for.

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It is in the EXACT same spirit of the new rule, in which you can't prelabel trans as having mental illness, notably including because of the implied social damage that the label does, that you also wouldn't allow people to painting person in dialogue as being transphobic based on their beliefs.

Trolly repeatedly follows my posts to assert to others that I have a thing about shitting on trans. Its a terrible thing to do to someone, because it gives me social stigma from others that I can't see so i can't defend against.

Its not different WHATSOEVER from protecting people from being stigmatized as having mental illness.

To be clear. I'm fine with the ad hominemy-ness. The propreity of the forum can moderate that.

You should be allowed to call some here who is trans, and has an opinion, a whack-job. 'ur nutso buddy'. ' u an ur gender ideas are nuts'.

Thats different than saying , 'oh ur trans, well that means u have a mental illness'.

That spirit of the distinction is well defined.

'Jbouton, thats a transphobic view if i ever saw one'. <<< thats valid.

But if we are going to open the dialogue in the name of fairness and reasonable speech, you can't have posters going around trying to paint peoples profiles as being something nefarious that they aren't. You can't have guys trying to convince the crowd someone is a transphobe, when its just reasonable sincere dialogue. You would lose free speech and reasonable sincere dialogue just as well.

I've seen this come up in a few threads so I'll remind people here. The site wide rule is:

Attack the argument not the person

So please refrain from statements like "you're a nazi, transphobe, or whatever. If someone says something you believe to be, say, antisemitic for example, it's fine to say that you think that is an antisemitic statement. Then the other person can respond as to why they feel it is not. Usually this arises in discussions about those who support Israel or the Palestinians for example.

Everyone is free to characterize the stated opinion, but keep it focused on the statement and don't generalize it to the person.

Thanks

Does that apply to me as well? Are posters to treat me otherwise whereas everyone must follow the guidelines except for with me?

"I'm closing this thread. Whether a transgender person is depressed or debilitated enough to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria has nothing to do with their participation in sports. We have a thread for that."

How would we think it has nothing to do with their participation, what thread do we have for that, so I can go there and posts please...and why do my posts and threads get special rules that treat me like I'm transgender?

The question of transgender people participating in sports is a question of differences in physical characteristics like size and strength. It has absolutely nothing to do with gender dysphoria which certainly does not give the transgender person an advantage anymore than we need a thread on whether cis athletes have an advantage or not being diagnosed with depression

Did I write anything about exceptions for anybody? Stop trolling.

I don't know what you mean here but where am I supposed to ask for clarification. I want to ask: Should we bend the gender rules of professional sports for people with mental disorders (ie GD, different than asking about trans)?

Which thread are you referencing that belongs in?

The problem is that only people with gender incongruence, i.e. a difference between the sex characteristics of their body and the mental gender identity they have of themselves can be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. So that is essentially the very definition of transgender. So your thread is still simply asking if transgender people should be allowed to participate in the opposite category as their original sex determination.

It's the very same question. There is no distinction between whether a trans woman should compete in womens sports or a trans woman with gender dysphoria should compete in womens sports.

If somehow you want to suggest that a trans woman should not compete in womans sports, but if she is also very depressed then its ok, you can do that in the transgender sports thread, because in both cases you are talking about transgender people.

Any chance you could just fix most of this by banning the one regular who loves to call people Nazis?

I've given everyone the same reminder about the policy. And as I have has posters remind me, this is an adult forum. So hopefully this will be the end of it and we can just engage in spirited but civil discussions of controversial issues. Should someone continue to violate the rules on a regular basis I can take action as necessary. But I much prefer to not have to do that.

Besides in the past I have had people say "just ban this guy and all will be well" only to find after banning him that like Hydra two more took his place. 😀

It is an adult forum, but this brings me back to elementary school when bad teachers tried to make a point by punishing the entire class because one kid didn't follow the rules.

So if I take action against the one poster not following the rules, you somehow think you and everyone else are being punished?

No, I just meant you scolding everyone here. Just being silly though.

"Don't hurt the feelings of Nazis" is a tough rule for us to follow because these guys are incredibly sensitive, but I'll do my best.

Telling someone who repeatedly expresses opinions that would have found a warm welcome in Nazi Germany that they are in fact a Nazi doesn't seem like the most terrible of takes.

Pulling them up for the umpteenth time by saying "That, sir, is a Nazi statement"? No one talks like this in real life.