Israel/Palestine thread
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BGP jfc you are just an infuriating idiot. the USA administration literally said there are no red lines.
If you think that this would look the same without the talks between USA and Israel then lol. USA might not be drawing red lines, but they're definitely containing Israel. What is a "red line"?
you are ignorant. why are you posting this bullshit? it is easily refuted if you paid any attention. the USA vetoed multiple UN votes on a ceasefire. the USA has veto power and they were the only country that vetoed it.
no outside force? the ****ing UN tried to stop it.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palest...
you think the USA is holding Israel back when they have multiple times said there are no red lines? when the admin has gone around congress to send more weapons to Israel?
this isnt difficult to figure out. stop making excuses sucking the dick of the USA. oh wait, thats impossible. you would never ever be critical of a country supporting the killing of thousands of kids bc you love war bc you are a true liberal fascist.
So USA vetoed UN. Which larger force is willing to interfere here? You've proven that the UN isn't because they're not willing to act outside of their framework which includes the veto system. You've proven that USA doesn't want to interfere. Which force is left?
gotta support the USA bc they help the Israelis do the genocide humanely. I mean, without the calming and steady and magnanimous hand of the USA, who knows what would happen?
absolutely sickening perspective and not in any way resembling reality.
I never voiced my support for this. If anything I did the opposite. "Liars lie!"
Refuted.
The "crying to the mods" was about your two contentless attacks which I've been informed are against the rules of this sub, and are impossible to refute due to the complete lack of content.
They still need weapons to be smuggled in in large amounts and materials to build infrastructure to fund the guerrilla war machine. They can recruit all they want, but without weapons and supplies there isn't much they can do to attack Israel, especially if North Gaza is transformed to a "No Man's Land." It's a long walk from South Gaza to the border if the goal is to invade Israel again anytime soon.
The Palestinians have a lot more heavy
This seems impossible to me. There's way too many arms on the black market, although maybe they can get rid of the heavy equipment.
If it was possible to starve Gaza of weapons then that would be the chosen method, and what Israel is doing now would be unnecessary.
If you think that this would look the same without the talks between USA and Israel then lol. USA might not be drawing red lines, but they're definitely containing Israel. What is a "red line"?
So USA vetoed UN. Which larger force is willing to interfere here? You've proven that the UN isn't because they're not willing to act outside of their framework which includes the framework. You've proven that USA doesn't want to interfere. Which forc
if the USA was not involved then things would be a lot better. there would be a lot less dead Palestinians. Israel would not have access to so many weapons. theres a reason why the admin had to bypass congress twice to send weapons to Israel.
and the UN would have ruled for a ceasefire.
the USA is giving carte blance to Israel to murder civilians at a rate of 100s per day and providing the weaponry and is the only country vetoing the UN on a cease fire.
those are facts.
That's a real interesting take. USA does exist though. So anyways................
In light of the fact that USA does exist, can you refute anything I said here, that countries are acting pragmatically regarding their interests in the Middle East and they are not actually supporting what Israel is doing?
I see little evidence for this. I think most nations with no interests in the Middle East, or ways to influence Israel, are condemning Israel's methods. The nations with interests in the Middle East and ways to influence Israel realize that when two factions are at war with each other, and want to continue to be at war with each, and no larger outside force is willing to make them stop, that those two factions will be at war with each other
Usa giving $40billion in aid for weapons isn’t interfering ?
That's a real interesting take. USA does exist though. So anyways................
In light of the fact that USA does exist, can you refute anything I said here, that countries are acting pragmatically regarding their interests in the Middle East and they are not actually supporting what Israel is doing?
my contention was primarily with this part
otherwise Israel would be conducting an unrestrained offensive with casualties that far exceed the horrible numbers we are seeing.
and no, there would not be far more casualties without the USA supporting it.
and yes ofc USA exists and it is an ally and contributor and accomplice to systematic mass murder of 100s of innocents every day. thats my whole point.
And please direct me to where they are literally saying they support unlimited continued killing of babies.
I am not sure how to prove to you that supporting bombs that kill babies is supporting the killing of babies.
if you cant make that connection then I dont think you are really worthy of any sort of contact.
Ah thanks for finally actually voicing what you disagree with instead of throwing insults and then ranting about how things would be different if they weren't the way they are now.
I believe I made it clear in an earlier post that I am not referencing the money given to Israel prior to the conflict. I am specifically talking about aid given after the conflict started. Perhaps that clears up for both you and PW.
Conflict been going on like 15 years rn fam
I am not sure how to prove to you that supporting bombs that kill babies is supporting the killing of babies.
if you cant make that connection then I dont think you are really worthy of any sort of contact.
I don't know how you can't understand that 80% does not equal 100%, supporting getting rid of Hamas by any means necessary means specifically wanting more babies to be killed, and answering "yes" to a poll with two options means literally saying something specific about what may be someone's nuanced views.
Really the same conflict has been going on since 1948. A two-state solution was the original plan, and could have been had many times since then. But the Palestinians and their Arab "allies" wouldn't stand for that, and the Palestinian leadership still won't stand for that. They won't be happy until every Jew is killed or leaves the middle east.
Really the same conflict has been going on since 1948. A two-state solution was the original plan, and could have been had many times since then. But the Palestinians and their Arab "allies" wouldn't stand for that, and the Palestinian leadership still won't stand for that. They won't be happy until every Jew is killed or leaves the middle east.
you are ignorant and spewing lies.
keep supporting baby murder. liberals gunna lib.
which country is that? bc I am pretty sure I want cease fire in both of the major conflicts. I am not a war is peace liberal pos.
which country is that? bc I am pretty sure I want cease fire in both of the major conflicts. I am not a war is peace liberal pos.
Ukraine, obviously.
If the US pulled their support from Ukraine, you don't think Russia would kill anymore babies?
Wanting a cease fire is irrelevant. None of us can choose that, nor can the US government.
And yes, I realize the US voted against the UN "Demand for a cease fire" or whatever BS it was. That wouldn't have caused any conflict to end either.
There are two parties of the four involved who could choose a ceasefire that would stick - Hamas and Putin. If Israel or Ukraine stopped fighting, more of their citizens will continue to be killed, so there would be no real ceasefire.
Us govt cuts aid to Ukraine and they will eventually cease firing
looks like a bigwig commander of the hezbollah elite crew got got 👍
Ukraine, obviously.
If the US pulled their support from Ukraine, you don't think Russia would kill anymore babies?
Wanting a cease fire is irrelevant. None of us can choose that, nor can the US government.
And yes, I realize the US voted against the UN "Demand for a cease fire" or whatever BS it was. That wouldn't have caused any conflict to end either.
There are two parties of the four involved who could choose a ceasefire that would stick -
Hamas is making them do war crimes says the liberal very seriously
If Israel takes Gaza, it will clearly become rich and prosperopus. Is there a chance Israel will take it? If they do, need to invest, prob can buy the real estate for nothing and make a lot after doing it all up.
