Israel/Palestine thread
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at a higher or lower rate than the 20-something commanders of the IDF who are routinely getting whacked?
IDF is AT LEAST as morally bankrupt as Hezbollah or Hamas, and that's being diplomatic. I'm sure we'll be getting a post from you celebrating the death of some IDF sicko any second now.
If Israel takes Gaza, it will clearly become rich and prosperopus. Is there a chance Israel will take it? If they do, need to invest, prob can buy the real estate for nothing and make a lot after doing it all up.
this might be, lowkey, the most disgusting post made in this entire thread
Holy ****in' ****. I had to scroll back quite a bit to make sure this guy wasn't making an argument for which I needed context.
(In before I get in trouble for saying the naughty f-word while Mr. Genocide here gets nothing)
this might be, lowkey, the most disgusting post made in this entire thread
Holy ****in' ****. I had to scroll back quite a bit to make sure this guy wasn't making an argument for which I needed context.
(In before I get in trouble for saying the naughty f-word while Mr. Genocide here gets nothing)
Calm down, you misunderstood.
I am merely talking about buying real estate and renovating it. That's all.
FWIW, I want peace for everyone and no war.
Rough wool blankets
constantly handcuffed and blindfolded for weeks on end
Between missiles, anti-tank missiles, drones, and mortars, there's been way over 1500 munitions fired at Israel from Lebanon since the war started. It was over 1000 back in November.
There's a pretty simple formula to not get shot at by Israel. The Egyptians figured it out in the 70's. It's been peace there since.
Ty for adding to my assertation
Actual video footage of a women being sniped while walking hand in hand with her toddler holding a white flag
The most humane army in the world did live up to their moniker by refraining from slaughtering the child. Yet.
Between missiles, anti-tank missiles, drones, and mortars, there's been way over 1500 munitions fired at Israel from Lebanon since the war started. It was over 1000 back in November.
There's a pretty simple formula to not get shot at by Israel. The Egyptians figured it out in the 70's. It's been peace there since.
Is amazing
Hezbollah has been bombing Israel crazy, Israel retaliates, and pointless shows up to blame Israel
It is so predictable
Quote where I blamed Israel for hezbollah bombing them
this might be, lowkey, the most disgusting post made in this entire thread
Holy ****in' ****. I had to scroll back quite a bit to make sure this guy wasn't making an argument for which I needed context.
(In before I get in trouble for saying the naughty f-word while Mr. Genocide here gets nothing)
What he said is most likely true. Gaza could be Singapore (another former British colony that had issues with its neighbors that it got over) if the Palestinians didn't have such a destructive, antisocial worldview. And decided to live in the present instead of martyring their own children to undo the results of a war they lost 80 years ago. Who would have guessed that bringing things back to the 7th century wouldn't work so well.
Israel says when it goes to clear out buildings it knows to go to the children's room's first, because that is where the weapons and secret tunnel entrances are. That is a pretty good snapshot of what is wrong.
What he said is most likely true. Gaza could be Singapore (another former British colony that had issues with its neighbors that it got over) if the Palestinians didn't have such a destructive, antisocial worldview. And decided to live in the present instead of martyring their own children to undo the results of a war they lost 80 years ago. Who would have guessed that bringing things back to the 7th century wouldn't work so well.
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Of course Singapore, like everywhere else has a complicated history and it's a bit of a mirror of Israel and Palestine with Chinese playing the role of Jews and Malay playing the role of Arabs. Malay are only 13% of the population and Singapore was able to separate more cleanly from Malaysia because it's an island to itself. And, as British troops left Singapore in 1971, Israeli advisors helped establish the Singapore Armed Forces.
Of course Singapore, like everywhere else has a complicated history and it's a bit of a mirror of Israel and Palestine with Chinese playing the role of Jews and Malay playing the role of Arabs. Malay are only 13% of the population and Singapore was able to separate more cleanly from Malaysia because it's an island to itself. And, as British troops left Singapore in 1971, Israeli advisors helped establish the Singapore Armed Forces.
So Singapore-Malaysia is what could have been if the Arab countries had been more pragmatic and diplomatic, and less belligerent.
So Singapore-Malaysia is what could have been if the Arab countries had been more pragmatic and diplomatic, and less belligerent.
There are a lot of differences. The Chinese came to Singapore a bit earlier and were more concentrated. The British stayed a bit longer. Malaysia isn't the biggest country in the world, but it's a lot more independent from neighboring countries than the Palestinians were in 1948. It's an island and is more separable. The Jewish/Arab division in Israel/Palestine has always been at least two pretty separate areas for each.
What he said is most likely true. Gaza could be Singapore (another former British colony that had issues with its neighbors that it got over) if the Palestinians didn't have such a destructive, antisocial worldview. And decided to live in the present instead of martyring their own children to undo the results of a war they lost 80 years ago. Who would have guessed that bringing things back to the 7th century wouldn't work so well.
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none of this is true and it is a deeply ignorant viewpoint. thinking the Israeli's would ever allow the Palestinians to thrive is the height of idiocy and inability to face facts.
incidentally, before the Zionists withdrew the Gaza settlements in 2005, there were up to 9k settlers and over 2 million Gazans.
look at this map to understand how much of Gaza a tiny number of people controlled over a total population of millions.
looks like about 30% of the land and I have heard, but have not researched myself that it was the best land there.
9k people controlled 30% of land as compared to 2 million people.
tell me more about how Israel would ever allow the Palestinians to be free.
While is critical of israel
The Palestinians have been screwed by lots of groups, including themselves... By themselves I don't mean Hamas but the people themselves
They seem obsessed with:
1) revenge (understandable but not constructive)
2) wanting Israel to no longer exist (won't happen) ... Holds the back from improving their lives
3) outdated backwards thinking based on religion... I ionestly think jews care about religion that much but see it as holding their small diaspora together. And the social aspect helps a lot with economic progess
While is critical of israel
The Palestinians have been screwed by lots of groups, including themselves... By themselves I don't mean Hamas but the people themselves
They seem obsessed with:
1) revenge (understandable but not constructive)
2) wanting Israel to no longer exist (won't happen) ... Holds the back from improving their lives
3) outdated backwards thinking based on religion... I ionestly think jews care about religion that much but se
Well they're definitely not the Taliban but they pay people to stay home and read their fairy tale book and continue to take land because their fairy tale book says sky daddy gave it to them at the beginning of time.
Hope the Palestinians realize their "friends" have left them out to dry and they have no backup.
Nothing like explaining how terrible Isreal is now by showing how much territory they were holding 20 years ago, before they gave it back.
Seems like they were trying to let the residents of Gaza take control of their own destiny then, and almost certainly would have let them try to be successful if they hadn't voted a terrorist organization into power and then sent missiles from there into Israel on and off for the next 20 years.
Nothing like explaining how terrible Isreal is now by showing how much territory they were holding 20 years ago, before they gave it back.
Seems like they were trying to let the residents of Gaza take control of their own destiny then, and almost certainly would have let them try to be successful if they hadn't voted a terrorist organization into power and then sent missiles from there into Israel on and off for the next 20 years.
The withdrawal was partial. Israel continued to control the perimeter and choked imports, creating poverty. They had draconian rules, like the Gazans could not fish further than three miles out. It was a prison, not a concession.
IDF knows where Hamas leader is, but won’t strike at him because of hostages – reports
Grain of salt
The withdrawal was partial. Israel continued to control the perimeter and choked imports, creating poverty. They had draconian rules, like the Gazans could not fish further than three miles out. It was a prison, not a concession.
I still imagine they wouldn't have been as strict about these things if the leaders weren't terrorists who sent missiles over the border every time they could. I guess we'll never know for sure though.
Also, a "prison" only works if all doors are closed. Egypt could have opened their border to accept refugees at any time, right? Or was Israel actually preventing Palestinians from going to Egypt? If the US did successfully build a wall across the entire border with Mexico, would you then say Mexico was a prison?
Nothing like explaining how terrible Isreal is now by showing how much territory they were holding 20 years ago, before they gave it back.
Seems like they were trying to let the residents of Gaza take control of their own destiny then, and almost certainly would have let them try to be successful if they hadn't voted a terrorist organization into power and then sent missiles from there into Israel on and off for the next 20 years.
nothing like arrogant snark from a place of ignorance.
Seems like you are clueless on the fact that after the pullout Israel put in place a blockade that literally counts the calories that go into Gaza to keep them just above starvation. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8...
That only a miniscule amount of people are allowed to leave, even for medical treatment or schooling or family. Israel does not allow many types of medical treatment in Gaza and then blocks many people from getting it outside.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...
When people are allowed to leave they are forced to wait for many hours at the crossing where they are mistreated and humiliated and often denied. Many are blackmailed into becoming spies at this facility just so they can leave to get treatment for themselves or their family.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL313...
Not allowed to fish more than certain miles off the coast.
https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20200...
There are drones overhead constantly, like during the brief ceasefire was the first time in many people's lives where there was not the sound of drones.
https://corporatewatch.org/gaza-life-ben...
And that Israel periodically "mows the lawn" (there own term btw) which means just killing a bunch of people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the...
All of these things are easy to verify. You can google it yourself or just click some of these links.
Ganstaman said I am not allowed to call you ignorant anymore. Since I prefer to be truthful, and since you will never lift a finger to educate yourself, I have provided the useful information so that you will no longer be ignorant. You are welcome.
I still imagine they wouldn't have been as strict about these things if the leaders weren't terrorists who sent missiles over the border every time they could. I guess we'll never know for sure though.
Also, a "prison" only works if all doors are closed. Egypt could have opened their border to accept refugees at any time, right? Or was Israel actually preventing Palestinians from going to Egypt? If the US did successfully build a wall ac
If the US walls off a country and prevents people from leaving? Yeah, that’s a prison, bro. Maybe that’s why fascists are so enamored with the border wall?
“If East Germany builds a huge wall and shoots anyone who tries to cross, is that a prison?” Naw dog, that’s how totally normal non-totalitarian states behave.
