Israel/Palestine thread
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it likely means they want to continue to control all of the Palestine area, with Israeli citizens of all ethnicities continue to have full rights, and not be killed.
Full rights cannot be the objective. That would make Jews the minority from the river to the sea, which is a non-starter across the Israeli political spectrum.
This is exactly what happened. Hamas is by far the least threatening of Israel's major worries. In the event of an attack by one of the larger threats in the area Israel would have responded in a way to discourage anyone else from joining in or attempting such an attack again. This means a lot of destructive power. Precision would not be the goal in such a show of force. An unguided bomb costs something like 5k USD. A precision bomb like a
I specifically said if Ukraine had not fought back there would be less deaths and suffering than if they had submitted to occupation.
The same thing applies here for Gaza/ Palestine.
Please do not include me in your delusions regarding this topic.
Well, I certainly don't support the actions of that quasi-governmental organization, and I believe the government shouldn't allow that rule.
That said, 20% of the citizenry being denied access to 13% of the land doesn't sound like the worst discrimination in the world, and definitely not as bad as what the surrounding Arab nations did by expelling their Jewish citizens.
there are plenty of other rules. and there is de facto discrimination.
I am not sure what the Arab nations expelling Jewish people has to do with Palestinians in Gaza in 2024. it sound like you are trying to use it to justify the discrimination against Palestinians? I dont follow or see the pertinence.
[B]Israeli MPs hold meeting on building ...
Knesset member:
make "all of the Gaza Strip a place for new Israeli communities". . . ."Israel should create a problem for the Arabs, to the point where Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey are forced to absorb them as refugees as they did from Syria."
I still imagine they wouldn't have been as strict about these things if the leaders weren't terrorists who sent missiles over the border every time they could. I guess we'll never know for sure though.
Also, a "prison" only works if all doors are closed. Egypt could have opened their border to accept refugees at any time, right? Or was Israel actually preventing Palestinians from going to Egypt? If the US did successfully build a wall ac
Egypt blockades rafa for the same reason Israel controls the other border. Not because Israel makes them
I specifically said if Ukraine had not fought back there would be less deaths and suffering than if they had submitted to occupation.
The same thing applies here for Gaza/ Palestine.
Please do not include me in your delusions regarding this topic.
I did not name anyone and your statements here do not pertain to USA providing military aid. However, there would not be fewer deaths in Ukraine under occupation, but there certainly would be fewer deaths in Gaza, which ironically shows your delusions on the topic you chose to bring up which, once again, is not the same as USA providing military aid. I'll leave that for the Ukraine thread though which already discussed this in depth.
Saudi Arabia interested in Israel normalisation deal after war
I've said all along
This war was started because of the deal. Saudi will have big influence on post war gaza
I've said all along
This war was started because of the deal. Saudi will have big influence on post war gaza
The planning for Oct 7 clearly started before the negotiations, but the negotiations probably moved the date for it up.
The best outcome for Palestinians now is that the future of Gaza becomes part of the Israeli-Saudi negotiations in allowing the Palestinian authority back to Gaza. The terrorist attack set them back drastically. Palestinians potentially were getting a state as part of Saudi Israeli negotiations.
I did not name anyone and your statements here do not pertain to USA providing military aid. However, there would not be fewer deaths in Ukraine under occupation, but there certainly would be fewer deaths in Gaza, which ironically shows your delusions on the topic you chose to bring up which, once again, is not the same as USA providing military aid. I'll leave that for the Ukraine thread though which already discussed this in depth.
how on earth would there be fewer deaths?
I don't know what you're asking.
The planning for Oct 7 clearly started before the negotiations, but the negotiations probably moved the date for it up.
The best outcome for Palestinians now is that the future of Gaza becomes part of the Israeli-Saudi negotiations in allowing the Palestinian authority back to Gaza. The terrorist attack set them back drastically. Palestinians potentially were getting a state as part of Saudi Israeli negotiations.
Agree
I really thought a 2 state solution was going to happen. I much less confident now
Not in Israel proper, no. But there is in the West Bank. It is the very means by which Israeli domination of the West Bank has been gained. The Arabs get chucked off their land so the settlers, generally recent arrivals from the US, can take over. The IDF who have to look after the settlers don't even like them (the settlers tend to refuse to serve in the IDF, claiming the religious exemption) and the whole thing is a bit mad.
Already covered, scroll up.
However, there would not be fewer deaths in Ukraine under occupation, but there certainly would be fewer deaths in Gaza,....
I dont get that either. I think he means this.
How would there not be fever death under occupation?
A- russia doesnt even want to occupy, they just want no nato and no western interference which is reasonable.
and B - there would be fewer death if ukaine would not be fighting russia. (there would be close to zero death imo in that case)
dont be a troll
This means a lot of destructive power. Precision would not be the goal in such a show of force. An unguided bomb costs something like 5k USD. A precision bomb like a Jdam is closer to 30k. You can guess which one Israel was stocking up on for that scenario.
Since this began USA has been trying to send Israel the precision guided bombs to reduce civilian casualties, and also pressure them to keep casualties down in other ways. As bad as this situation is, it could be far worse.
try to back up these arguments with actual facts bc from what I have seen, this assertion in no way reflects reality.
Saying you killed 7 civilians instead of 10 so you’re reducing civilian deaths isn’t the brag you think it is.
I dont get that either. I think he means this.
How would there not be fever death under occupation?
A- russia doesnt even want to occupy, they just want no nato and no western interference which is reasonable.
and B - there would be fewer death if ukaine would not be fighting russia. (there would be close to zero death imo in that case)
Is that based on pinky swears?
Dude look at the history of how these "all we want is...." things go. You're going to discover it's generally bs. But particularly when someone like a Putin is the one saying it.
Is that based on pinky swears?
Dude look at the history of how these "all we want is...." things go. You're going to discover it's generally bs. But particularly when someone like a Putin is the one saying it.
and here we go again spinning in circles.
no, its based on common sense.
putin isnt even a bad guy anymore right?
whereas hamas is now the bad guy.
unitil the next bad guy is found.
putin is probably gonna be invited soon again to the white house,
whereas hamas is gonna be uninvited and iran, and quatar.
Saying you killed 7 civilians instead of 10 so you’re reducing civilian deaths isn’t the brag you think it is.
I dont even think it is true that this is the case.
all indications are that Israel needs all the bombs and ammo that are being sent. theres a reason that the admin bypassed Congress twice to get murder material to Israel asap.
all indications are that this is one of the most destructive campaigns of all time in terms of civilians killed, buildings destroyed, and bombs dropped over a very short period of time.
its frankly insulting that people are acting like the USA is at all restraining Israel. John Kirby said there are no red lines ffs.
its also absolutely rediculous, and again, just insulting to act like precision bombs murder less civilians. they are being used on civilians intentionally. thats why over 100 reporters have been killed. over 350 drs and health care workers killed. all of the bakeries destroyed usually while people were making bread.
thats why Refaat was killed who was not at all part of Hamas and was just a writer that talked **** about Israeli lies. they precisely killed him and like 6 of his family members.
thats why 2k pound jdams have decimated entire city blocks of refugees multiple times.
and its not like Israel isnt sending tons of dumb bombs down either. https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/politics/...
