Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread
Hello everyone. I've closed the previous mod thread, and opened this to capture all issues related to moderation policies and actions going forward. I'll kick it off by reposting my intro post from the other thread. Again, I'm happy to be here and look forward to hearing from you.
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Hello everyone.
I'm very pleased to have the opportunity to serve as a moderator in Politics and Society. I asked for this position because I believe we are experiencing a polarization in our politics and society unseen since the 1960s. We may well be at a juncture from which we will either make great progress or suffer great setbacks in regards to our democratic foundations and civil rights over the next few years. So I believe it is important to maintain a forum for discussing these important topics. When the other mods had to step back a bit due to their real life time obligations, I asked to join the mod team to help keep the forum going.
I have not followed this forum in the past, though I have been reading through threads the last few days and made a few posts. This has allowed me to get a sense of the initial impression the forum likely makes on new readers who are deciding if our forum is a place they would like to visit regularly and participate in. While I see some familiar names from the live poker forum, many of you I have not had any interaction with to date. I have no preconceived notions of anyone's posting behavior and will essentially start from a clean slate.
I will shortly post more about my modding approach and give my initial impressions of the forum based on my observations over the last several days. I will be soliciting your input on things you like about the forum that you want to remain, and things you don't like that you would like me to change. Your candid input and feedback is very important to me. Especially, please don't hesitate to let me know if you think a policy or a proposal is a bad idea. I'd rather hear it before it goes into effect than after.
My overall modding principle is simple: Be Nice. Disagreement need not be disrespectful, and everyone must be treated with respect. Calling a poster derogatory names or hurling snarky insults never usefully advances a discussion. It just bogs things down and turns off many would be participants. And it's not nice. Don't do it.
My goal is to have a forum where people with a wide variety of opinions along the political spectrum enjoy expressing and debating their views in a spirited manner, free from insults, bigotry and denigrating comments. If you enjoy discussing these important and often polarizing issues in a passionate, yet respectful manner, I look forward to getting to know you and working with you to create a forum people will enjoy visiting and contributing to. You can be as committed, determined and relentless as you like in advocating for your position. Be persuasive, thought provoking and challenging. But be nice.
I want to thank tame_deuces and King Spew for their support in bringing me onboard and for all the time and effort they have put into making the forum better. While I am taking over most of the day to day modding responsibilities, both are retaining their mod status and superpowers, and will be supporting the forum as their availability permits. And I personally welcome their continued advice and feedback.
Again, I am happy to be here and look forward to getting to know you.
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Thanks for correcting me on who was responding to whom. I got that mixed up while switching between various pages. Poster user notes and the mod control panel open in different windows and there's a lot of copying and pasting back and forth.
As to the tropes, Nay. Had Dunyain simply pointed out his issues with the credibility of the story reported in that article it would have been fine. That's not what got him banned. It was the implicatio
you should ban all the folks that call GOP voters racist/bigot/fascists while youre at it
I’m saying better mods have kept threads on topics for years without constantly having to mass delete or move stuff around. We still had topics. Just because you say something is “logical conclusion” doesn’t mean it actually is. Moderation threads, when thru work, necessitate discussion of the examples going on in the content threads where the moderatio needs to improve.
Is it your position that the mod thread in this subforum has been kept on topic for years without any need to delete or move posts because people here simply adhered to the rules and refrained from posting dozens of off topic posts? And somehow now, because of my mod policies they suddenly felt compelled to make dozens of off topic posts here?
I took a look and found the post that you banned Dunyain for, and I am more than a little surprised that you banned somebody for that post, even more so that it was a permaban. It really is not much of a leap to conclude that Victor is an anti-semite with what he posts every day. What Dunyain posted was no more inflammatory than what Victor has posted every single day since early October. So what gives?
Just in case there is any confusion regarding what I am saying here: About a month ago there was a big push by certain posters in this thread to ban Victor. I posted that Victor should absolutely NOT be banned, as did some others. I still think that is the case today. That does not mean that Victor should be able to post his insanity every day and anybody that responds in kind be banned. Are you really giving one poster carte blanche to post whatever he wants, and then banning the people that argue with him? Because that is sure what this looks like to me.
just fwiw, I didnt report Dun's post or ask for him to be banned. it didnt bother me lol.
Thanks for correcting me on who was responding to whom. I got that mixed up while switching between various pages. Poster user notes and the mod control panel open in different windows and there's a lot of copying and pasting back and forth.
As to the tropes, Nay. Had Dunyain simply pointed out his issues with the credibility of the story reported in that article it would have been fine. That's not what got him banned. It was the implicatio
First of all I only told trolly re dunyain's banning. I haven't actually gone into the reasons for it or asked you to justify it either.
Secondly, I never said it didn't happen, and I already linked how it's an anti Semitic trope and it's not the only one he's propagated either. He consistently compares Israel to the Nazis which is another anti Semitic trope. The dancing Israeli trope is used in white supremacist conspiracy theories on how the Jews were really behind 9/11.
https://forward.com/news/349432/9-11-ann...
Many of the latest iterations espouse the notion that 9/11 was a “false flag” operation — a covert operation designed to deceive the public — and part of an ongoing attempt by Israel to wage a war against its Muslim “enemies.”
According to one theory, outlined in a 2011 report by ADL, the Mossad, the state Israeli intelligence agency, orchestrated the attack.
The “proof” offered is the “five dancing Israelis” who, arrested on 9/11, who were allegedly celebrating as the twin towers burned, ADL wrote.
It's a known anti Semitic trope and it should be considered unacceptable in this forum. If the other comments are worthy of a banning (and I'm not questioning you on this btw) then anti Semitism should be too, certainly a temp one and perma'd if repeated. I'm not saying vic should be permabanned but you mentioned Dunyain's third alias (and again I'm not questioning this), and this isn't the first time victor's engaged in anti Semitism here. And imo he is racist towards Jews, he opined before - as an accusation-I that I was "a Zionist Jew". Along with the Nazi references, he certainly knew what he was doing with the dancing Israelis link. It's not acceptable browser.
I should probably make this an edit to my last post, but I guess it is slightly tangential.
Has there ever been a time in this politics forum's history where there has been such heavy-handed moderation? I am not even sure if the last post I just made is bannable, as we seem to be banning people for what I would consider to be pretty innocuous reasons. Deleting posts from threads is one thing, but nothing will stop posting in this forum faster than the threat of being banned for arbitrary reasons.
except I never said anything of the sort that corpus is rambling about.
I took a look and found the post that you banned Dunyain for, and I am more than a little surprised that you banned somebody for that post, even more so that it was a permaban. It really is not much of a leap to conclude that Victor is an anti-semite with what he posts every day. What Dunyain posted was no more inflammatory than what Victor has posted every single day since early October. So what gives?
Just in case there is any confusion
Yeah both comments were actually reactive to victor's toxic baiting rhetoric and I'm not justifying chillrob's but found dunyain's mild by comparison and nowhere near as strong as other comments I've seen here that got a pass.
Is it your position that the mod thread in this subforum has been kept on topic for years without any need to delete or move posts because people here simply adhered to the rules and refrained from posting dozens of off topic posts? And somehow now, because of my mod policies they suddenly felt compelled to make dozens of off topic posts here?
Nope. If you went back and read old moderation threads you’d probably think many of the posts should be deleted or moved but the mods at the time didn’t and the threads were functioning fine.
Yeah both comments were actually reactive to victor's toxic baiting rhetoric and I'm not justifying chillrob's but found dunyain's mild by comparison and nowhere near as strong as other comments I've seen here that got a pass.
I thought Chill's post was a little over the line, but not ban-worthy unless there was a pattern of similar types of posts.
A warning would have sufficed for Chillrob imo bvut that's just me. It was the contradiction re victor is what I had an issue with which I feel is actually a pertinent issue.
Dunyain and Chillrob are banned?
For what?
Ban me next.
What do I need to say to get banned here?
I have seen cases of multiple posters get into name calling exchanges. So just a couple of days ago, I posted this reminder about the rules, quoted above. Likely many of the cases you are referring to predated this warning. Im nit going to go back and remod those.
But now, going forward, everyone has been reminded/warned/asked to stop attacking people and attack the argument. So going forward hopefully the issue will decline in frequency
For many that is near impossible. Heck just ignore what Trump says you can say no one can do it . The ignore function works just fine
I agree with attack the argument not the person. I do not think anyone should be perma banned and I do think Victors posts do cross the line but he is passionate about the fact innocent civilians are getting killed.
No one should be perma banned with out a few week bans but hey its not my forum
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As to the tropes, Nay. Had Dunyain simply pointed out his issues with the credibility of the story reported in that article it would have been fine. That's not what got him banned. It was the implication that vic had to be racists against jews to post that link, and that everyone knows he wants to put a swastika as his avatar. The reason it was a permaban is that dunyain is at least the third account with his others already being banned.
The last time Dunyain was banned it was for talking about zygotes nin the context of how sex is determined. All of the times he's been banned are like that.
I think the rumor is that Israel knew of the attacks but withheld the info. There's another rumor that the US knew but didn't take it seriously enough. I think the FBI even investigated one of the hijackers and moved on
I think the rumor is that Israel knew of the attacks but withheld the info. There's another rumor that the US knew but didn't take it seriously enough. I think the FBI even investigated one of the hijackers and moved on
The Israel/9/11 stuff is all just a red herring.
They want to encourage conspiracy theories where Israel is blamed.
right but if you read the context of the thread, thats not what we were talking about at all.
he deleted my hilarious meme in the Israel thread. Can't believe I'm saying this....BRING BACK THE LAWYER! (Roccococococo!)
What did Chillrob say to get banned?
Nope. If you went back and read old moderation threads you’d probably think many of the posts should be deleted or moved but the mods at the time didn’t and the threads were functioning fine.
I took your suggestion and looked at the old mod thread started in 2020. Quite the eye opener. Almost all the same names as today, posting almost the same lines about modding and deletions and bans, about personal insults and accusing people of being racists, liars, etc.
As to there being no need for deletions or staying on topic in the mod thread, here's a little sample:
Btw, cleaning up threads is mod speak for deleting or moving posts. There are numerous references to mods cleaning up threads back in the good old days.
But enough time has been spent on this. It is very strange to me than anyone is seriously arguing that the forum would be better if only we could post dozens of non moderation posts in the moderation thread.
No. actually but that said, I'm saying you know damn well it's an anti Semitic trope and post it anyway. Just as you know Nazi comparisons are anti Semitic but compare anyway. Reason being you're an anti Semite.
