[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

It is clear that it is something you are passionate and feel strongly about evidenced by many of your old posts including the one above. I'm of the position that more information out in the open is better even if it is not really the ideal course of action. Re: your old post from 2020 is that we need to pressure these sites to increase security. I think that it is done by openly showing there is a problem and what that problem is.

These bots used to be shitty, but now that they are more sophisticated with GTO strategies and card sharing, its game over. Iggy is drawing dead, as they clearly don’t care.

Dude, you went too far posting the name of the bot site. I called you out on it. You deleted it, but you deleted it acting like an *******. That is how it went down. And somehow you marshalled up some fools backing you on something you actually deleted and another person has said a Mod would suggest not be here or would delete.

Yes, there is definitely some type of card sharing going on. From what I've discussed with other people, the bots specifically aren't necessarily playing GTO strats... though there are definitely real people using RTA (gtowiz for the laziest ones) and likely personal databases for specific spots like 3bp/4bp for other ones.

I said a mod would suggest what you were going to post not be posted or delete it, which was much more info than a bot site or forum. I still don't think it was some hidden information you act like it is.

Anyways, I think all non-bot players are against bots. We all want the same thing. I'm tired of playing against bots, colluders and RTAers.

https://forum.warbotpoker.com/viewtopic.... rofl wtf.

Ah yeah, Ladybruin shitting the bed when I brought it up back them. Can not wait to hear his response to that bot post about how emboldened they feel after his fukwit posting in this thread... but no doubt it will be my fault and his jocks will be all over the place.

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All good guys, just make it 100bbs deep and all will be solved.

As I said back then this problem has been ongoing and fairly obvious to a bunch of $1k/$2k players for well over 12 months (not just August). I helped a group catch a bunch of primarily russian bots on stars back in the day and was getting told the same thing as LB by other regs. The only solution I can see to the current problem is making the issue as publicly visible as possible to "shame" (can't think of a better word) ignition security to act on the problem. That said I really don't think they care. Anyway, i won't bother responding to the obvious idiotic reply i'm going to get from LB. Thanks for the bot forum link though, I actually got a laugh out of that response.

by hunting4nemo P

Bot malfunction at 1k plo

Start of a bot discussion on AUGUST 15TH 2023.

Just one of many posts trying to have a bot discussion.

Last point because pontylad was getting owned, but oh wait look below here comes a gimmick acccount from pontylad right in the middle of a bot discussion

The creation of a gimmick account right after pontylad got owned. Pontylad derailing this thread in the middle of a bot discussion.

by pontylad P

Urgh, when I said I wasn't responding to LB I meant it.

The only gif/meme I can recall in this thread in more than 5 years right in the middle of a bot discussion. Pontylad derailing this thread. Still up my jock and writing posts about me. We are now up to AUGUST 17TH 2023. Pontylad derailed this thread for days. Days. Right in the middle of a bott discussion.

Pontylad derailed this thread for days in the middle of a bot discussion. Awesome find. This squares perfectly with pontylad derailing a bot thread for days and the consequences being it carried over for more than just days. It became an affirmation that not much is going to get done, because even when a bot discussion starts a jock sniffing assclown is going to derail the discussion.

Brokenstars, this was a great find by you, pontylad derailed that discussion 6 months ago with gimmick accounts, memes, and all arround jock sniffing assclown behaviour and the fallout is still being felt now.

The biggest issue with the new bot ring is the ammount of them, you get 2-3 on every table 24/7 and the fact that they collude with each other. I have won 7 figures on boniton mainly playing $10/20. I'm struggling these days, still winning but its incredibly tough. It went from being one of the softest/best sites to play poker to the without a doubt toughest one.

@pontylad and @ladybruin, at this point its best to just ignore each other in my opinion.

@Badreg, other regs have stated the same to me recently. It's clear that something became noticeably different in the games sometime Q4 2022 with many people posting about it in this thread (including myself). This unfortunately also lined up with Ontario poker leaving a bit before this time and becoming segregated, so many people attributed the "harder" games mostly to this. As time has gone on, however, many other regs came forward stating their concerns with regards to what felt like blatant collusion and at this point in time it is rampant and affecting every table and time slot. It is pretty clear to me now that there is some type of bot ring/new software and they have been slowly ramping up/adding accounts since late 2022 all through 2023. There has always been some level of cheating going on; now the amount of cheating has truly reached breaking levels.

I haven't posted in here in awhile, however in that time the jock sniffing assclown has still reference me twice since then. I'll quote them both if you would like. You might instead want to have an intervenion and tell that jock sniffing assclown to stop derailing this thread. The implications, by your own find elsewhere are getting expensive. And I gave you props for finding that post in another site, but don't be a dumbass and post bot site names, in my opinion.

You don't need to quote them. Thanks for the props. And noted.

Yeah it's quite likely it's their own bots. Bonitions security has always been bad but if someone did break the rules in a obvious way there would still be bans. Those days are over now, or at least for some. I report things 10 times per day in the forums, over email, in chat, over the phone. They couldn't care less.

I've lucked out in a sense, because my volume is very low since beginning of 2023: got a house and started a family. I still talk poker with people, but all this botting/weird stuff going on combined with a different lifestyle lead me to put in significantly less volume than I've ever done. I'm still trying to raise awareness and hopefully that will lead to some type of solution.

September.28 is one of ladybruins's accounts. ladybruin is a narcissist and a psychopath. She is controlling, possessive, disruptive, delusional and has very real mental disorders. Her posts are typically one of four types:

[1] A helpful post with information to assist someone with a problem. These are rare. She seeks affirmation, she wants to be recognized as someone special.

[2] Confrontational posts. She is easily triggered and will aggressively attack and name-call. This becomes an obsession. These posts are all too common.

[3] Posts by alternative accounts to support "her side" and to attack the person she is fighting with. She has multiple such accounts, most that are years old. These posts are amusing and very easy to spot.

[4] The "ultimatum" post. Finally, she likes to demand that the forum "pick a side." The last time she did this, she drew a line in the sand and told the forum to back her in her fight versus Pontylad or she would leave forever. (She felt the forum no longer having access to her vast knowledge would be some type of external punishment.) The vote did not go in her favor and so, true to her word, she entered self-exile never to be seen or heard of again.... until she revived one of her other accounts.

She could not stay away. The urge was too strong, yet she couldn't use her ladybruin account as she had vowed not to post here anymore! Hence, September.28 become her phoenix from the flames, and the cycle began again. September.28 wanted to be helpful, yet all too soon she got triggered and become confrontational, picking fights, and demanding the forum participate in a vote of hers.

The post below was a good one, where she references herself. "Tell me you're labybruin without telling me you're ladybruin"

Like a true psychopath never feels remorse or admits guilt (regardless of how damming it is), she is unlikely to admit she is September.28 (or any of the other accounts she posts here with.)

Pontylad has cost you guys a lot of money.

Dang, a lot of posts deleted. Good job mods.

The bots have been starting to play $10/20 now as well. It's very alarming that not only do bonition not ban them but also somehow let them soak up more money than they already were.

I wonder if traffic has gone way down since all of this went "public". I mean the attempts to raise awareness about it, Howards tweets etc.

I already cashed out and i wont touch this site ever again, not only because i believe they will never fix anything about this but mostly because the same situation with ACR will happen, they will ban accounts, cheaters will create new ones, keep botting, and so on.

Also, pony and bruin have to stop, nobody cares about your little drama, stop trying to have the last word on a stupid argument and shut up or go to DMs.

I found the July reference interesting because that is exactly when my downswing started from being 10/bb+ over last few years to break even over last 7 months. I don't think that is a coincidence. Something started happing in the MSNL games right around July. Whether its bots, collusion, RTA, or all of them, I am not sure but certainty there was some event that occurred. I don't think these cheaters organically appears, it seems organized to me. That's my 2 cents.

Personally I think this started in Q4 of 2022... it's just that it *significantly* picked up throughout the year and specifically mid of 2023... as in like 10x more accounts/frequency. I spoke with other msnl/hsnl regs and the consensus also was also that it seems organized and likely a specific group of people.

These side tracks are nothing to do with me. I can't repeat this enough, that other account is not me. Someone is trolling you very very hard and you take the bait hook line and sinker each time.

It's frustrating when I feel I have to respond to general lies or quotes out of context but you're right. I'll just add LB to ignore and suggest he do the same vice versa.

It was definitely happening in 2022 and before Q4 but as you say not as severe. The 50 bb guys were around in Q4 but there were also 2 noticeable 100bb colluders playing in Q2/Q3 2022.

Your derail for days between August 15th and 17th was noticed and detailed beyond 2+2 as Brokenstars found. You cost people a lot of money with your foolishness.

here we go again, shut the **** up you 2

agreed, am done.