Israel/Palestine thread
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more like 99%
considering they have massacred about 30k innocents for funsies in the last few months
Well, "Palestinian" is a very new category that was kind of just invented in the last couple decades... The Palestinians have been fighting the same war for 80 years
Slight contradiction here. Palestine is an ancient name and the Palestine Mandate was created by the League of Nations in 1923. (Up to then, the area was part of the Southern Syria Province of the Ottoman Empire.) 'Palestinian Arabs' was a term coined for Arabs within the Mandate territory, as opposed to the Jewish settlers. The Black September atrocity at the Munich Olympics in 1972, carried out by Palestinian Arabs, as everyone knows, was definitely not 'in the last couple of decades' since 2003, so this is a bad-faith claim.
The Palestinians have been fighting the same war for 80 years and are the ones refusing to concede anything or make any. move towards peace. Their goal is and always has been the complete destruction fo Jewish Israel.
This again is obviously not true, since the PLO did sign up to the Oslo Accords, recognising Israel. It's the Israelis who don't want anything to progress, in case they have to evacuate the West Bank settlements full of mainly American zealots, so they throw in deal-killers like retention of East Jerusalem, which they know the Palestinian Arabs can't accept because Jerusalem is their capital and their principal holy site, as it is for Jews.
It is true, of course, that Hamas, at the urging of its Iranian paymasters, is supposedly dedicated to the destruction of Israel, but that is posturing vainglory and Hamas has no such capability. Plus, until recently, Hamas used to do deals with the Israelis over water and power and work permits all the time.
Maybe it was posturing a long time ago but they've fed Gazans so much koolaid, and drunk a lot of it themselves (especially the likes of Sinwar), they've got a whole lot of true zealots now.
Reportedly, Sinwar was furious at the political leadership for trying to negotiate and Sinwar has been the de facto decision maker since Oct 7th.
The man is made of Hamas koolaid.
Dunyain often accuses me of being anti-West and anti-American. he is not really wrong. but let me explain why, in as short of time as possible.
i dont get it , when pro palestine protestors shout "from the river to the sea" its antisemitic and genocidal , what is it when the Israeli government says it ?
The status quo...?
Either way, he's almost certainly gone, and Likud with him.
Slight contradiction here. Palestine is an ancient name and the Palestine Mandate was created by the League of Nations in 1923. (Up to then, the area was part of the Southern Syria Province of the Ottoman Empire.) 'Palestinian Arabs' was a term coined for Arabs within the Mandate territory, as opposed to the Jewish settlers. The Black September atrocity at the Munich Olympics in 1972, carried out by Palestinian Arabs, as everyone knows, was
A nationalist newspaper named Palestine (Falastin) was founded in 1911 in Jaffa. Palestinian nationalism emerged about the same time as Zionism.
The claim that Palestine is a brand new, invented phenomenon is dumber than a pail of worms. Go on eBay, you can buy Palestine postage stamps from the 1930s.
Street vendor selling Palestine in 1921.
I should have dunyain on ignore. Chillrob as well
Dunyain often accuses me of being anti-West and anti-American. he is not really wrong. but let me explain why, in as short of time as possible.
I don't see the issue with that answer, but it may be because Im looking at it from a military perspective. The initial series of airstrikes shouldnt be expected to immediately cause the attacks on shipping to stop. The first response to airstrikes is usually defiant statements and threats of escalation. But as the airstrikes continue reality sets in and future attacks would be deterred.
But the other reason they would continue is that by targeting key functional sites like command and control and air defense, they are establishing favorable conditions for future ops should they be needed,
So while it may sound like a strange and contradictory answer on the surface, it actually makes sense.
Arab countries are formulating a plan for a cease-fire/hostage release deal as part of a larger agreement under which Saudi Arabia will normalize relations with Israel if it agrees to take "irreversible steps" towards establishing a Palestinian state, the Financial Times reported. Israel's President Herzog said Israel will have to find a Palestinian partner to negotiate with. Israel's security echelons were kept in the dark about the current Qatari-brokered deal to transfer medication to hostages held in Gaza until Netanyahu publicized the deal, a diplomatic source told Haaretz.
I don't see the issue with that answer, but it may be because Im looking at it from a military perspective. The initial series of airstrikes shouldnt be expected to immediately cause the attacks on shipping to stop. The first response to airstrikes is usually defiant statements and threats of escalation. But as the airstrikes continue reality sets in and future attacks would be deterred.
But the other reason they would continue is that by t
that could be what he meant. charitably.
but it also could be that he doesnt care if they work or not, Merica gunna bomb.
bc they arent gonna work and we are surely gonna keep bombing.
Based on Ryan Grims last 20 Twitter posts. He's quite a simpleton to put it nicely when he's attempting to discuss economics. His opinion on Biden's comment seems to fit together perfectly with his level of understanding and his urge to jump to a specific conclusion. **** isn't that simple.
I have no idea whether people do that to build a base or that he is just consistently a bit tweaked on all of his stances.
Just imagine. All this because some Stone Age peasant made up a god to justify a land grab 2000 years ago. Sheesh.
You Don't Mess with the Zohan taught us everything we needed to know about this back in 2008
Who knew “God promised” would be such a compelling concept
Arab countries are formulating a plan for a cease-fire/hostage release deal as part of a larger agreement under which Saudi Arabia will normalize relations with Israel if it agrees to take "irreversible steps" towards establishing a Palestinian state.
How will that work when we have Netanyahu reiterating today, "In the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea."
Israel says there'll be no state, built the settlements that have killed the idea, and it's a done deal.
" Indeed, according to UN statistics, the global average ratio of civilian-to-combatant deaths is a disturbing 9:1."
Anyone hear that stat before for urban combat? Was new to me today.
God's got little to do with it. Zionism arose among secular Jews responding to European antisemitism in the 1890s.
That’s like saying manifest destiny had nothing to do with the Christian belief their god had promised them America “from sea to shining sea”
First you have to believe you’re divinely entitled the land, then you can make up philosophies to support it.
Or people just want wealth and power and use God as justification.
That’s like saying manifest destiny had nothing to do with the Christian belief their god had promised them America “from sea to shining sea”
First you have to believe you’re divinely entitled the land, then you can make up philosophies to support it.
Early Zionism simply wasn't like Manifest Destiny. The organizers were socialists and atheists. They justified displacement of the Palestinians with theories of modernization and colonialism. Their justification was that Palestinians were primitives to be pushed aside by European modernization. There were religious members of the World Zionist Organization, but they weren't the main thrust.
