2024 ELECTION THREAD

We have a massive population so it is no wonder we are high on the list of most deaths. In the US we were fighting hard to report as many deaths as possible as covid related where in many other countries they were doing the opposite.

It is interesting to note that when comparing the US and every country in Europe the US would the 14th worse country in Europe on a per capita basis. The UK, poland and italy all fared slightly better than us to the tune of about 10% fewer deaths per capita and there are a slew of other countries that are with 15% or 20% of what we did.

It is important to note that a populations age and health are very important factors effecting deaths for capita and they are both likely more important than any policy the US enacted regarding covid deaths.

PS: You look pretty silly ignoring the US massive popuilatoin and not looking at per capita numbers. worldometers is a great site to look at more relevant covid date.

I have to stop you there as that never occurred.

And 16th in the world, behind Peru and a whole slew of Eastern European countries, and ahead of all (far ahead of most) of Western Europe, Mexico, Canada, so...yay?

Soooo +1
Stats never been the forte for baham

I do not remember him saying the US healthcare system was the best in the world. It may be one of the best if you have the money to pay for it

Trump is gonna win isn't he?

lolUSA

1/2 of steamraise posts are MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow it might be as high as 75% . That’s why I said it about him

If I had posted non stop Jesse Waters posts you would be saying that as well

isolationism is a failed political strategy. the world is a global economy, shrinking US influence in the world is an idiotic idea that only trumpers would think was smart. abraham accords were a made up victory between two countries that already had normalized relations.

And he is going to make America great again well somewhat great

Bobo,

1. Do you think every country reported covid caused deaths the same as every other country?
2. If you were to make a list of all the factors that lead to one country having better or worse reported covid death numbers I don't think things most of the things repubs and dems fought about regaurding covid would be very significant (mask policy, vax policy for the young and healthy, closing schools, closing parts of the economy, closing flights to places where covid was hit hard, etc)

This seems like a really odd thing to be fixated on.

he was quote responding to steam raise, who posts about a dozen maddow videos a week

And the descent continues, now sliding from 'well if I had a gun to my head and I had to choose between Trump and Biden I'd vote for Trump because good for Canada Dems deserve it something something' to pretty much a Trump cheerleader now.

I think the "western world" reported similarly enough that any differences don't explain away the US being basically the worst in terms of deaths. I think the seriousness with which each side took Covid and was reflected in both policies and actions played a role; how significant that role was, I couldn't say for sure. That such things even divided down political lines (and not just in the US) in the first place is pretty sad, but here we are. I suspect unequal access to health care played a significant role, and that doesn't seem like something the Republicans have shown a lot of interest in fixing. Unfortunately, even if the Democrats are more interested, they don't appear to have been able to do much about it either.

I certainly was fixated on those numbers back in 2020 and 2021; not so much now. That's the first time I've looked at the numbers on Worldometer for a year or two. Just thought I'd fill in some missing information for you. 😀

Yeah, can't argue with lozen on this.

How did Obama snatch back all of the power from the deepstate to be the only one controlling biden? Dude must've pulled some major power moves 😀

I'm on the fence myself. I'm leaning to voting Biden, the first time I've voted for a major party since Obama's 1st.

Imo, I don't owe anyone my vote. You earn it by representing me.

If Trump is such a threat to life on earth, why don't dems implement some policies that are both common sense, good policies and supported by large majorities of voters?

Legalization of weed (70% support [55% for decriminalization of all drugs])

We have the worst, least efficient HC system in the developed world. 63% say gov should guarantee hc for all. Dems say what we have is perfect. It's good that we pay double what any other country does and get far less.

We're 1 of 8 countries on earth without paid paternity leave. 82% favor it. Dems oppose it.

72% say our insane military spending is enough or too much. Dems want to increase it.

62% want $15/hr and it passed in a landslide in Florida. Dems oppose it.

70% support banning law makers from trading stocks, and it's safe to say, other measures to curb corruption. Dems disagree.

There are countless other examples. Homelessness abounds. Student debt and housing costs are destroying the middle class. We only make token gestures on critical environmental issues.

I understand there are individual dems who support or pretend to support these things; and that they have stories about how Joe Manchin or the parliamentarian single handedly prevent them from doing anything positive for me, while the entire Dem party can never stop tax cuts for the rich or unjust wars or anything like that. And I'm a wild eyed Marxist who wants a pony because I'd rather have HC than bomb civilians on behalf of corporations.

Nonetheless, assuming people like policies that they are in favor of and will improve their lives, Dems could easily win by implementing such policies.

Why is it the fault of voters that they don't?

es2 gets it

two parties that both just engage in kleptocracy and says vote for use because of abortion

True republicans would have forced him to carry his presidential campaign to term

I never said I think he will make America great again
After 4 years of Biden and the choice is Biden or Trump on policy I’ll take Trump

I still think Trump is a disgusting human being but 4 more years of Biden not for me

ES2 says it well

Democrats should be happy they get the candidate for the GOP that they want should be the easiest election to win

Oh wait your best is Joe Burden

You forgot the Border as well .
Another way the Democrats could win easily is with another candidate but nope .
This could be the easiest election to win when you look at the opponent

Why do you think it's sad that the opinion on the role of government during an emergency was divided among politican lines? that's one of the most political issue that can exist, how much to use the monopoly of violence of the state to purportedly try to achieve some sort of common good, it's the "collectivism" vs "individualism" political axis, it would be incredibly sad if people with extremely different political preferences would magically agree on the exact amount of state violence which is considered appropriate, and tradeoffs, especially during an emergency.

For some people hurting innocents even badly can be moral if you end up with higher aggregate welfare as a result (collectivist utilitarian), for others it's a moral monstrosity to ever hurt innocent children in any way no matter how many elder lives you think you can save by hurting children.

The above tradeoff considerations are purely political with 0 science implied, science can at most inform you about the size and direction of those tradeoffs (with a lot of caveat) but can never tell you how many children it's moral to house arrest in order to save how many over 50 lives.

Got it. You are one of those people who thinks that voters in swing states like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina are desperate for progressive Democrats. I wish that were true. I honestly do. But the historical non-viability of progressive politicians in those states in national and state-wide elections strongly suggests that it is not true.

I think you should ask for a senate majority which is of the opposite party of POTUS, whomever potus is, that would make many of your other claims more credible.

IF you believe Biden is kinda terribad and Trump is kinda terribad as well, just express a desire for a senate capable of opposing either.

Why do you think a Biden presidency with a gop senate majority could be more damaging to society than a Trump presidency with a gop senate majority? if the "disgusting human being" gets people in the senate capable of rubber-stamping his "disgusting preferences" that must be worse right? unless you actually like a significant portion of Trump proposals

That isn't the choice. Presidential candidates are never just the sum of their policy parts. And that observation applies more obviously to Trump than to any presidential candidate in my lifetime.

I havent looked at all of your examples, but two stick out as incorrect. The dems have supported the increase in the min wage fircyears. The Raise the Wage Act has been introduced in Congress by dems several years in a row but the repubs keep voting against it. In FL the min wage was increased only because a citizen initiative, led by prominent democratspased 60-40 to change the FL Constitution. This was necessary because tge repubican controlled state government refused to pass legislation to raise it themselves.

No dems feel that Obamacare is perfect. Many features of the desired bill were negotiated away in an attempt to get repubs on board. But in the end the repubs refused to vote for it and held dozens of votes to repeal it even though the never prposed any alternative, much less a better alternative.

Its almost as if you took things the repubs have opposed for years and just changed it to dems.

lozen admitted that he prefers Trump's policies to Biden's policies, apparently by a wide enough margin to disregard Trump's contempt for democratic norms.