Israel/Palestine thread

Just so happens that their house with their families in them are also randomly bombed? Just a lot of coincidences I'm sure.

sure thing, Luigi

anyway. back to our regularly scheduled definitely not cheering about murdering children thread
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world...

That's not how those words work.

Do you know how the terms left and right originated? You don't just get to make things up and call them leftists because they got in the way of the local blacksmith.

That's a remarkable database you linked to. It looks to be quick descriptions of all 85 media workers killed thus far.

But perusing down the list one has to question your conclusion that since many died in air strikes, they were "not targeted specifically."

Over and over again the database mentions journalists killed along with family members -- showing that they were at home when killed. That supports the theory that their houses were targeted.

The list is full of hints that the journalists were targeted.

I believe that if a Jew wants to marry a non-Jew they usually go to Cyprus. It'll be recognised when they get back, but it can't be conducted in Israel, because of the religious right and the general ideology of the 'Jewish state'.

Depressingly that seems all too possible.

The point is you can be gay in Israel or be married to ac Muslim in Israel and its okay

In gaza (and the West bank to some extent) its not okay to be gay

In February 2016, it was reported that one of the leading commanders of the armed wing of Palestinian militant group Hamas, Mahmoud Ishtiwi, was executed under the charges that he engaged in homosexual activity and theft.[20][21] Scholar Timea Spitka stated that in Gaza, coming out is a "death sentence" because police don't act against queerphobic violence, domestic violence isn't pursued, and civil society organizations, which protect women and children, are reported to be "vulnerable to attack." Spika added, in a related article, that this vulnerability has "been exploited by Israel," noting a connection between the Israeli occupation, lack of security and protection for women and non-heterosexual people, and lack of rule of law.[22][23] In 2019, Haaretz interviewed four gay men and one gay woman living in Gaza, who recounted their experiences: one man recounted his rough treatment by Hamas members, while others said they feared being arrested, outed, then forced into heterosexual marriage by their families. All four said that social media was a "game changer" in meeting other LGBTQ individuals, but some feared catfishing by undercover Hamas or Israeli intelligence agents.[24]

In August 2019, the Palestinian Authority announced that LGBT groups were forbidden to meet in the West Bank on the grounds that they are "harmful to the higher values and ideals of Palestinian society". This was in response to a planned conference in Nablus by Al-Qaws, a Palestinian LGBT group.[25][26][27] Following backlash, the ban was later withdrawn.[28]

In October 2022, Palestinian police arrested a suspect who beheaded a 25-year-old male Palestinian, Ahmad Abu Murkhiyeh, who was seeking asylum in Israel "because he was gay." At the time it was reported that 90 Palestinians who identified with the LGBT community lived "as asylum seekers in Israel."[29][30]

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If Palestine becomes a state, it is doubtful that gay people will have rights

Looks like Argentina is moving its Israel embassy to Jerusalem

Will they smile and cheer like these guys when bombing Palestinians?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world...

I've not clicked your link, but you do understand that all Gaza did was celebrate Oct 7? And not like a few people. You saw that right? Heck where I live they launched fireworks, lol. Hours after the attack.

So what point exactly are you trying to make?

When the Americans bomb their targets, they fist pump and high five. So do the Russians. So do the Ukranians.

You haven't uncovered some amazing mystery of war. These sides have been fighting forever. They hate each other a lot. It is known, as they say.

Like the muslims in America that cheered 911 and ignorant people said it meant all Muslims cheered 911

Glad you are carrying on the tradition

few bad apples? that's what you're going with?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world...

I mean we can do this all day

A couple months ago weren't you reporting that Israel was in fact not really targeting at all, and just cluster bombing? Seems you want to report it both ways. Israel is being indiscriminate AND somehow targeting journalists.

That being said, 85 "media workers" killed out of 30,000+ doesn't particularly sound like targeting to me. The only "media worker" that we have proof was actually targeted that I am aware of, Israel claims was a high ranking IJ commander.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, what are we even arguing?

I'm not remotely surprised the Gazans celebrated Oct 7th (I would have if I was Gazan). I wasn't remotely surprised they celebrated 9/11. I'm not surprised because it's a 100 year old conflict basically.

Israel is tiny. Between dead, raped, kidnapped, injured, mobilized, tortured, everyone knows someone directly affected. When you layer on 100 years worth of family trauma, you take that exponential. Nobody should be remotely surprised that in the Inglorious Bastards like payback from Oct 7th, lots of people are cheering that on. That's not an Isreali story. That's a human story. And you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

In fact THAT, is also anti-Semitism. The belief that somehow the Jews are abnormally bloodthirsty. They are no more or less than the other side firing back at them. Or other armies in conflicts today.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/963

We have been over this before. Palestinians own internal polling show massive approval of October 7th, and generally armed conflict agains the Yahood and Israel. Palestinian society overwhelmingly believes present day Israel is part of the greater Islamic Unman (community) and they have a mandate to conquer it in the name of Allah. They just wish that the rest of the world would force Israel to fight with both hands tied behind their back so they can fare better in the fight.

I have seen lots of pictures of Gaza and dont recall ever seeing what we could call a "house." Seems everyone lives in giant communal housing projects. Between this, the fact we already know most of the bombs Israel drops aren't using any smart technology, and the fact 85 media members have died out of 30,000+; yes it does appear to be random when a bomb hits the residence of any particular "media member"

I have to admit Dunyain describing apartment buildings as communal housing projects took me by surprise.

From today on, I will tell people I live in housing projects too.

Wait your link says respondents in the West Bank agreed with the Hamas attack MORE than respondents in Gaza? Wth?

[QUOTE=metsandfinsfan]If Palestine becomes a state, it is doubtful that gay people will have rights[/QUOTE]

So disingenuous it’s actually gross

Not surprising.

By all accounts Hamas is pretty sucky at the actual job of running Gaza, and have handled the ongoing war pretty poorly with respect to the Gaza residents (they just hide in tunnels leaving the Palestinians to their fate, and occasionally pop out to steal aid or pot shot at Israeli forces).

West Bank residents get the euphoria and pride of Hamas taking the fight to the Yahood, without all the negatives of having Hamas run their society poorly over the last 20 years.

Gaza society by all accounts is generally supportive of the 80 year war against Israel; but are slightly more critical of Hamas itself for doing such a poor job of running Gaza.

When I bomb my targets I like to say a little prayer for them.

Seems logical that we could start saying that people who support the Palestinian cause love seeing LGBT people murdered.

Oops, I mean support the murder of LGBT people.

Note to self - I need to remember this three weeks from now.