President Joe Biden
Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.
A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.
Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?
Biden is a dottering old man and everyone can see it. Replacing him with a viable nominee is the only sane move but of course the Dems don't have the political will or the core competence to win modern elections.
Viable is the problem, there is no one polling better than Biden.
You might suppose Newsom would, maybe, but it's a gamble not a safe play.
And also you would need detailed polls in purple state, national polling isn't going to decide who is the president (unless the gap is huge).
Who do you have in mind that can get the same or more votes from senior whites as Biden?
Viable is the problem, there is no one polling better than Biden.
You might suppose Newsom would, maybe, but it's a gamble not a safe play.
And also you would need detailed polls in purple state, national polling isn't going to decide who is the president (unless the gap is huge).
Who do you have in mind that can get the same or more votes from senior whites as Biden?
Lets be honest no one is polling better as there is no race. The DNC and Left wing media have shut out the two candidates Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson . RFK made the decision to launch as an independent Unless Biden steps down or the Dems make a radical move in August at the convention Joe is the man
Ill be curious to see what the next polls will look like, Though Joe Biden is lucky this came out now and not a month out from the election .
I do agree Newsom may be a gamble with his record in California .
I think we can all agree yesterday was a great day for Trump and maybe the worst day for Biden
Lets be honest no one is polling better as there is no race. The DNC and Left wing media have shut out the two candidates Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson . RFK made the decision to launch as an independent Unless Biden steps down or the Dems make a radical move in August at the convention Joe is the man
Ill be curious to see what the next polls will look like, Though Joe Biden is lucky this came out now and not a month out from the el
Odds are there'll be something by the convention to have Biden removed from the ticket. He's done.
Lets be honest no one is polling better as there is no race. The DNC and Left wing media have shut out the two candidates Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson . RFK made the decision to launch as an independent Unless Biden steps down or the Dems make a radical move in August at the convention Joe is the man
Ill be curious to see what the next polls will look like, Though Joe Biden is lucky this came out now and not a month out from the el
no man I mean poll better for the nationals, not the primaries.
Yeah, I mean I can't take the conservative leaders/talking heads seriously on this issue and what they think isn't even slightly important. But whether a perception of Biden deteriorating before our eyes is correct or not, I think we've reached a point where the Democrats can't take the risk that Biden will be able to retain enough support. If you wait and hope for the best, it'll be too late to mount a successful campaign. I think they hav
The problem is that "they" are not deciding who the nominee will be. There is no secret cabal who chooses the nominee. At this point, the decision lies with Biden. He either will drop out or he will not. Unless he decides to drop out, he will be the nominee. There is no third way.
Yeah, I mean I can't take the conservative leaders/talking heads seriously on this issue and what they think isn't even slightly important. But whether a perception of Biden deteriorating before our eyes is correct or not, I think we've reached a point where the Democrats can't take the risk that Biden will be able to retain enough support. If you wait and hope for the best, it'll be too late to mount a successful campaign. I think they hav
A possible "conspiracy theory" is that this report was a setup to prepare the road for ditching Biden.
After all it came from a Garland appointed special counsel, not from an independent nor from the right.
The problem is that "they" are not deciding who the nominee will be. There is no secret cabal who chooses the nominee. At this point, the decision lies with Biden. He either will drop out or he will not. Unless he decides to drop out, he will be the nominee. There is no third way.
There's the 25th amendment actually
I really liked Mayor Pete (only campaign I've ever contributed to) as it was nice listening to someone actually intelligent, but I don't know if he has any plans on running or has enough name recognition. I hate Kamala -- she sounds so insincere and therefore untrustworthy. And since she was assigned the border (right?) and that's a big problem still, I worry that could tank her.
I haven't heard much of Newsom but imagine he's at least accep
Why do you say she sounds so insincere and trustworthy? You “hate” her? Hate is a strong word. Why? Just curious.
If people think Kamala shouldn’t ever be President it implies that Biden made a mistake in picking her. The most important role for a VP is to be able to step in as President.
What did she do that is so bad? I hear people complain that she laughs. So what? She doesn’t have the gaffes that he has, doesn’t have a son that is an annoying embarrassment, and she would do a lot of the things similar to the positive things Biden does.
And she would be running as someone who is already President if Biden drops out which has to be an advantage (compared to Newsom or Whitmer running). If she steps in people will see she is not so bad and she would be similar to Biden without his negatives (which sadly are way overblown and take attention away from the positive stuff he has done).
Or do people really think if she becomes President this month that she would look so bad she couldn’t win? MAGA types think that but so what? They wouldn’t vote for Gavin or anyone else anyway.
If people think Kamala shouldn’t ever be President it implies that Biden made a mistake in picking her. The most important role for a VP is to be able to step in as President.
What did she do that is so bad? I hear people complain that she laughs. So what? She doesn’t have the gaffes that he has, doesn’t have a son that is an annoying embarrassment, and she would do a lot of the things similar to the positive things Biden does.
And she wo
I think that you mainly hear people saying that Kamala shouldn't be the nominee. And people are saying that because they are skeptical about whether she could win.
There are a lot of people who would be fine presidents but who are not strong candidates.
Why do you say she sounds so insincere and trustworthy? You “hate” her? Hate is a strong word. Why? Just curious.
I hate her as a candidate, not as a person. I probably agree with her a lot policy-wise and feel she could be a very effective leader. I imagine I'd be happy with the job she'd do as president. My problem is just her image. There's nothing I can pinpoint or specifically define, but the way she talks just comes across as her not being genuine. I fear many people feel this way and so it's hard for her to get sufficient votes in the right places.
I hate her as a candidate, not as a person. I probably agree with her a lot policy-wise and feel she could be a very effective leader. I imagine I'd be happy with the job she'd do as president. My problem is just her image. There's nothing I can pinpoint or specifically define, but the way she talks just comes across as her not being genuine. I fear many people feel this way and so it's hard for her to get sufficient votes in the right plac
Which major policy difference would exist between Harris and Newsom or, more generally Harris and a median democrat candidate?
Is she significantly to the left or the right of the party on anything of substance?
Just switch kamala with Michelle obama (barack in the shadow) as vp .
U will have a back up when biden falls in the second term.
Just make a deal with Kamala like They will support her nominee for the next cycle or w.e .
Maybe that 2024 race should be decided by the VPs.
They are both dinosaurs anyway .
Fwiw Michelle Obama is actually trending on Twitter
I obviously don't want Biden to have some sort of acute health issue, but if he had to step down because of some sort of health problem (heart attack, cancer, etc.) rather than because of cognitive issues, that would be easier to manage from a political standpoint.
But no matter the reason, the fundamental problem with Biden stepping down remains the same. Harris probably is not the best option if the goal is to win the election, but there isn't an easy and dignified way to push her to the side. And the Democrats simply don't have enough margin to survive an internecine fight.
Just switch kamala with Michelle obama (barack in the shadow) as vp .
U will have a back up when biden falls in the second term.
Just make a deal with Kamala like They will support her nominee for the next cycle or w.e .
Maybe that 2024 race should be decided by the VPs.
They are both dinosaurs anyway .
Musing about Michelle Obama as a candidate is all well and good, but conscription isn't an option. She has to volunteer.
I obviously don't want Biden to have some sort of acute health issue, but if he had to step down because of some sort of health problem (heart attack, cancer, etc.) rather than because of cognitive issues, that would be easier to manage from a political standpoint.
But no matter the reason, the fundamental problem with Biden stepping down remains the same. Harris probably is not the best option if the goal is to win the election, but there
They can organize it to look as a physical health condition problem if they want to.
I agree for now Biden is still their best option but I am wondering where the threshold is and what their plan B looks like if/when the threshold is met
I don't agree that Biden's ego necessarily would prevent him from deciding that he should step down. But in virtually every other respect, I think this article is spot on.
Newsom is an absolute no go for a general election and dems know that. All of middle America is afraid newsom will run America like he ran California and like my therapist used to say "entering into a relationship with someone because you see potential in them as long as they complete change who they are in not ideal".
Kamala is too disliked plus she was the one thrown in front of the bus on the border wall issue.
I love politicians with zero to little experiene in politics, but a backround in business is helpful so I'm not sure Michelle would be ideal.
The cupboard is bare for dems. It feels like you have to prop up biden for another few months and switch VPs, get someone way off the radar or go michelle.
It was always going to be Michelle. Just a matter of time now.
