Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I don't understand how pro-palestinian people defend the suspension of elections in Gaza and the WB caused mainly by Hamas but i guess they are only " pro democracy" when it suits them
Why is it lol? Hamas are a bunch of nutty intransigent fanatics who launch rockets at Israel any chance they get, long before their recent pogrom. I can absolutely understand Israel not seeing them as a viable government. They're an obstacle to peace. You can't have what's essentially a death cult for whom any form of compromise is an alien concept, in government. I don;t think it's outlandish at all to state they can't be in government pe
Compromise isnt an alien concept to Hamas. If that were the problem, it implies they could be taught.
The problem is they’ve fed their own ranks and Gazans so much Koolaid, they’ve made their own brand, their raison d’être, antithetical to compromises with Israel. (Just look at when political leadership tried to negotiate, Sinwar threw a fit and it has since become apparent Sinwar’s position is Hamas’ position)
And that’s a much bigger and intransigent obstacle to peace than mere ignorance.
Hamas is a cancer on Gaza and the Palestinian people. It must be excised, again and again, until it’s beaten into permanent remission. There is just no path to permanent peace with Hamas around.
They should have never been allowed to metastasize. But alas, we are where we are.
The Israelis are entitled to decide, in the circumstances, that they just aren't prepared to live next door to Hamas any more. But it's all got very ugly and has inflicted reputational damage on Israel (Hamas of course won't do the sensible thing and stop fighting, and on the other hand Israeli troops dynamiting apartment blocks just to punish the population and going 'This is for my daughter' as they push the plunger is an abysmally bad look), and how they stop Hamas or something like it coming back, short of permanent and very heavy military occupation or extreme ethnic cleansing, neither of which will help Israel's reputation much, I do not know.
Deal doesn’t work because the likes of Haniyeh don’t want to share with Sinwar
Israel isn’t going to assassinate Sinwar if he leaves, at least not any time soon. If anything, the Mossad might secretly protect him from his political rivals.
I mean he kept calling me a Nazi after i said it upsets me and he's still your friend .. at long as he doesn't can you a Nazi i guess
Micro is of course correct but he’s outnumbered so… not much to do about it besides +1 him. Victor will keep getting banned because there’s a reporting campaign against him and the bans keep compounding. At least that’s been my impression.
UNRWA commissioner-general, Phillippe Lazzarini, denied that the agency was aware that there was a Hamas tunnel under its Gaza City HQ after the IDF and Shin Bet revealed a tunnel system and data center there.
UNRWA is facing growing administrative hurdles from Israel, with a shipment amounting to a month's supply of food blocked in port, Lazzarini said.
Hard to believe unrwa didn't know about the tunnels and data center
Micro is of course correct but he’s outnumbered so… not much to do about it besides +1 him. Victor will keep getting banned because there’s a reporting campaign against him and the bans keep compounding. At least that’s been my impression.
Fwiw I'd prefer for Viktor not to be banned because having a streamlined access to the thinking processes of the enemy is useful.
But I think that you guys should understand he is being banned for insults to other posters, not because he is pro Hamas and anti Israel
Fwiw I'd prefer for Viktor not to be banned because having a streamlined access to the thinking processes of the enemy is useful.
But I think that you guys should understand he is being banned for insults to other posters, not because he is pro Hamas and anti Israel
Yet others are allowed to personally insult him with impunity. Mets just called him an antisemite. Victor can’t even respond.
Fwiw the Italia musc festival San Remo just ended (it is kinda the super bowl around here, with massive numbers of watchers and regularly the most watched tv program year long). That's on public tv channels (think BBC?), RAI.
A young singer of Arab origins who made top 5 said "stop to the genocide" when he had the time to make comments post his performance.
The Israeli ambassador to Italy officially complained the day later (today), and today on another major public tv channel the CEO of RAI went public with a pro Israeli message claiming italian public tv will never stop covering Hamas atrocities.
Just saying the topic is really really hot in Italy and has been since October
I mean he kept calling me a Nazi after i said it upsets me and he's still your friend .. at long as he doesn't can you a Nazi i guess
And you have said lots of things that have more people than just Victor in this thread thinking not just that your politics are bad or that you're mistaken or that, you are understandably affected by your experiences including of the tragedy of 10/7, but that you are a bad person. And, I've disagreed with that too because, although I disagree with a lot of what you have said, I think you're not a bad person and you do actually hope for good things for both Israelis and Palestinians.
I'm not feeling bad about how I have judged anyone's character in this thread.
If Hamas were using Israeli children as human shields instead of Palestinian children, would Mets still say murdering them all is a “necessary evil”? I don’t speak for Victor’s choice of terminology, but there is certainly something notable there.
If Hamas were using Israeli children as human shields instead of Palestinian children, would Mets still say murdering them all is a “necessary evil”? I don’t speak for Victor’s choice of terminology, but there is certainly something notable there.
I am surprised you are admitting Hamas systematically uses children as human shields
Why is supporting Palestine a bad thing but supporting Israel isn’t?
Who has admittedly killed more civilians ?
And you have said lots of things that have more people than just Victor in this thread thinking not just that your politics are bad or that you're mistaken or that, you are understandably affected by your experiences including of the tragedy of 10/7, but that you are a bad person. And, I've disagreed with that too because, although I disagree with a lot of what you have said, I think you're not a bad person and you do actually hope for goo
Ive criticized Israel, especially in the West Bank
Victor wouldn't even call hamas out "it's Israel's fault for the occupation "
Calling a jew a nazi is like calling a black person a slave owner. It's something you don't do unless you are trying to make a person feel bad because you hate them
You don't have to feel bad about anything
But just remember, victor believes October 7 was justified. If you are okay with that, you do you
Victor got banned for personal attacks after he was told not to post personal attacks. He has never gotten banned for any of the "provocative" material he has posted.
I am pretty sure I am the only one banned recently for actual content, and that was for besmirching the good name of the people (Houthis) who literally practice slavery, overtly and proudly peddle in Nazism and are ranked dead last in gender equality, which apparently was a bridge too far.
If Hamas were using Israeli children as human shields instead of Palestinian children, would Mets still say murdering them all is a “necessary evil”? I don’t speak for Victor’s choice of terminology, but there is certainly something notable there.
Interesting that this is your gotcha, because Hamas is using Jewish children as human shields, and the Israeli response has been to go aggressively after Hamas, putting their lives in danger (and undoubtable directly leading to some of their deaths).
So it looks like the Israeli regime has decided that whether they are Palestinian or Jewish, Hamas using children as human shields is no longer a reason to let them continue their murderous behavior.
It’s not a gotcha. I don’t think Victor is an antisemite anymore than Mets is a genocide lover.
Israel has definitely inadvertently killed israeli hostages.
I think the main reason they haven't flooded the tunnels is for fear of that but nonetheless it sucks but of course that doesn't mean Israel should stop the war
