Israel/Palestine thread
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how many Palestinian hostages does egypt have and how many Palestinians has egypt killed since 2006?
its cause israeli is illegally killing palestinians. there is your answer. if one countries attacks and kills a group of people, those people fight back in anyway they can. This is often called BLOWBACK
Im confused, you dont think throwing a rave with 1000 people on the front lines and then launching counter attacks behind them is different?
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anyone care to answer before this gets buried
Are any of you like.....reporting these? I haven't done one. I'm gonna guess Mets hasn't. Don't think GS3737 has (could be wrong).
Just wanna clear up the conspiracies here. I certainly don' t do anything other than the ignore feature. Micro is a passionate dude, clearly.
I haven't reported a post since November and that was for that karlmarx character
They don’t attack Egypt because they won’t get a free pass when they kill Arab Muslims like they do when they kill Israeli Jews.
Also because Iran doesn’t want to force Egypt’s hand.
Rest of your post is just absurd and does not deserve the dignity of a thought out response.
They don’t attack Egypt because they won’t get a free pass when they kill Arab Muslims like they do when they kill Israeli Jews.
Also because Iran doesn’t want to force Egypt’s hand.
Rest of your post is just absurd and does not deserve the dignity of a thought out response.
Pretty much
Israel is an occupying state for controlling a border but egypt "is forced to be Israel" is a false narrative. But you are correct, the arab world would not put up with them bombing Egypt so that's a big reason why they don't, i agree
I spent the past two pages asking how many deaths are too many and they said there is no number too high lmao
clearly they dont care
No, you are missing the point. The world is starting to realize that we cant just let this drag on indefinitely because the Palestinians are using their own civilian population as human shields.
That being said, I think everyone is shocked just how little Hamas cares about the lives of their civilian population, and how seemingly willing the Palestinian population is to go along with this arrangement to its nihilistic end.
We are seeing videos of Hamas leadership and their families hiding in tunnel cities with enough stolen aid to last months, while the civilian population is being bombed and starved above. And Hamas refuses to bend an inch to end the war effort, no matter how bad it is going for the Palestinian people or their own grunt soldiers. And this isn't even getting into the billionaire Hamas leadership living a life of luxury in Qatar and Turkey, although it does not appear they have much influence over what Hamas is doing in Gaza.
Could you imagine the US civilian population allowing a leadership that acts this way to continue indefinitely? I couldn't.
They don’t attack Egypt because they won’t get a free pass when they kill Arab Muslims like they do when they kill Israeli Jews.
Also because Iran doesn’t want to force Egypt’s hand.
Rest of your post is just absurd and does not deserve the dignity of a thought out response.
I find it hard to believe that among the 1200 people assassinated by terrorists on 7/10, none were Arab Israeli Muslims
Egypt's objective is to keep the Palestinians out of Egypt. I dont think they are too concerned with weapons going in the other way. Or at least they haven't been. Hopefully Oct 7th and Hamas's actions the last 4+ months are causing regional players to reassess their opinions towards facilitating Palestinian terrorism. Obviously a lot of European countries are belatedly realizing how the UN is big part of the problem.
Also, A LOT of weap
If Israel can’t even thoroughly inspect the trickle of trucks they are letting through, they should just take over the aid and distribution entirely and control the supply chain.
There must be other smuggling routes, and some are almost certainly underground while others over the sea. I don’t know how feasible it is but I feel like they should just dig a 200 deep trench all around Gaza
israel illegally takes over disputed areas with settler terrorists that murder unarmed Palestinians in their homes
this is a fact look it up
then Israel builds communities in these previously Palestinian areas, which are still warzones since the settlers are murdering unarmed civilians (facts)
after a while, Israel starts throwing events and raves in this warzone, and then Israel acts surprised when they attack that everyone knew about for months finally transpires
so tell me again how only one side hides behind civilians
I find it hard to believe that among the 1200 people assassinated by terrorists on 7/10, none were Arab Israeli Muslims
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-rahat-a...
6 kidnapped, 21 killed from that community. There are others.
If Israel can’t even thoroughly inspect the trickle of trucks they are letting through, they should just take over the aid and distribution entirely and control the supply chain.
There must be other smuggling routes, and some are almost certainly underground while others over the sea. I don’t know how feasible it is but I feel like they should just dig a 200 deep trench all around Gaza
The metro area I live in has more people than Israel. I don't think Israel has the resources or manpower to do this.
I find it hard to believe that among the 1200 people assassinated by terrorists on 7/10, none were Arab Israeli Muslims
please stop spreading lies
1200 israeli people who were mostly ex military were killed on oct 7
if israel killed 1200 ex hamas people, nobody would care
out of the 1200 ex military people who were killed, a bunch of them were murdered by Israel
The metro area I live in has more people than Israel. I don't think Israel has the resources or manpower to do this.
Dude… just IDF has like 600k people. Delta Airlines is feeding AND flying hundreds of thousands of people a day with a small fraction of the number of employees.
Take a million steps back. IDF is sending hundreds of thousands of reservists home. The logistics used to feed the reservists could be rerouted to feed at least a large fraction of the Gazan population.
Pretty much every western country will give Israel as much money as they want if they decided to use the reservists to administer aid to Gazans instead of to send them home. It’s an easy win and a moral imperative but Netanyahu is too blinded by some combination of hatred and political expediency to see it.
please stop spreading lies
1200 israeli people who were mostly ex military were killed on oct 7
if israel killed 1200 ex hamas people, nobody would care
out of the 1200 ex military people who were killed, a bunch of them were murdered by Israel
It's almost 900 civilians man. If you do your mandatory 32 month military service in the IDF from 18 to 21, after that you're just a civilian. I know dozens of people who've done it. I don't know one who pulled a trigger outside a firing range. Most IDF soldiers over time have never shot at or near a person. From the late 70's till recently you'd be far more likely to never see combat. And then many are cooks, mechanics, engineers, medical staff, electricians, builders, there's all forms of service.
I don't know how many of the 900 served their 32 months. But I've never met one who did that "deserved to die", if that's what you're somehow implying. Was a lot of wonderful Kibbutz families who got butchered in their homes, and a lot of very pro 2-state liberals who committed their lives to a better solution with Gaza. That, is who died.
israel illegally takes over disputed areas with settler terrorists that murder unarmed Palestinians in their homes
this is a fact look it up
then Israel builds communities in these previously Palestinian areas, which are still warzones since the settlers are murdering unarmed civilians (facts)
after a while, Israel starts throwing events and raves in this warzone, and then Israel acts surprised when they attack that everyone knew about for mon
I actually don't know what you're talking about.
Supernova took place near Kibbutz Re'im, in the Negev. Re'im was established in 1949, it's been there since.
I have no idea what you're talking about here with regards to settlements or settlers. That's a different location in Israel and a different discussion. I also don't know what to say about you believing that people knew this attack was definitely coming. Show your work? Even entire blocks of Hamas didn't know Oct 7 would be the day.
But lastly, you compared this to Hamas human shields. I cannot see how a rave for peace in the Negev is a human shield operation. I'm still waiting for a much much better explanation from you. I don't think one is coming though.
It's almost 900 civilians man. If you do your mandatory 32 month military service in the IDF from 18 to 21, after that you're just a civilian. I know dozens of people who've done it. I don't know one who pulled a trigger outside a firing range. Most IDF soldiers over time have never shot at or near a person. From the late 70's till recently you'd be far more likely to never see combat. And then many are cooks, mechanics, engineers, medical
nah they are ex military, they are veterans. If they were on the other side you would say once a hamas always a hamas.
I didnt say they deserved to die and I didnt imply it. I said they are former fighters and that the govt is using them as human shields.
do you care about all the palestinians murdered in their homes?
having non active military people in warzones that you then arm and have them kill innocent Palestinians is what happened
then they govt allows them to be there and throw raves.
If the govt cared about its people more than it cared about staying in power they wouldnt expose their citizens to such violence.
nah they are ex military, they are veterans. If they were on the other side you would say once a hamas always a hamas.
I didnt say they deserved to die and I didnt imply it. I said they are former fighters and that the govt is using them as human shields.
do you care about all the palestinians murdered in their homes?
having non active military people in warzones that you then arm and have them kill innocent Palestinians is what happened
then
Dude the whole country are veterans in a country where mandatory military service applies to almost everyone, men or women. 125 victims were seniors. You can call them "veterans", but these are just innocent old people who mostly garden.
Frankly your post is scary-monstrous, and tremendously ill-informed. Veterans who serve their country and go on to live civilian lives don't need to be highlighted. And with how unarmed most of them were, we definitely see that they were just living a life of peace. There are (were) 30k Hamas fighters, but over 2M Gazans. I don't for a second believe Hamas has 2M people.
As for the "government allowing the rave", I don't know what that means either. Bibi and his people don't "allow raves". That's a municipal permit thing, there's no grand plot. Israel is a very musical country and there are parties all over. Yes the negev is one of those spots they throw them. Because since the 70's, it's been entirely safe to. Until it wasn't. The negev hasn't been a war zone for decades and decades. Everyone who you know....has actually been or lived in Israel, knows this.
Your tinfoil runs deep, sir.
I'm getting Israel 'splained by someone who hasn't spent a minute there, lol.
nah they are ex military, they are veterans. If they were on the other side you would say once a hamas always a hamas.
I didnt say they deserved to die and I didnt imply it. I said they are former fighters and that the govt is using them as human shields.
do you care about all the palestinians murdered in their homes?
having non active military people in warzones that you then arm and have them kill innocent Palestinians is what happened
then
The logical outcome of your twisted worldview is that Gaza should be depopulated, as the Palestinians have the moral duty and prerogative to attack Israel indefinitely. So removing them is the only way Israel could hope to have any security. In fact by not depopulating Gaza, the Israel government is failing its people.
The logical outcome of your twisted worldview is that Gaza should be depopulated, as the Palestinians have the moral duty and prerogative to attack Israel indefinitely. So removing them is the only way Israel could hope to have any security. In fact by not depopulating Gaza, the Israel government is failing its people.
Pretty sure Israel being killing 10x Palestinians
People have a right to resist their extermination. The UN allows for this
The logical outcome is if Israel cares about human lives they come to a peaceful solution
It’s an easy outcome , they just don’t wanna do it
You have to ask yourself, what would Jimmy carter do ?
Dude the whole country are veterans in a country where mandatory military service applies to almost everyone, men or women. 125 victims were seniors. You can call them "veterans", but these are just innocent old people who mostly garden.
Frankly your post is scary-monstrous, and tremendously ill-informed. Veterans who serve their country and go on to live civilian lives don't need to be highlighted. And with how unarmed most of them were,
If Israeli people can support their terrorist govt and then say oh no I quit I’m a civilian now
Can Hamas fighters do the same?
The logical outcome of your twisted worldview is that Gaza should be depopulated, as the Palestinians have the moral duty and prerogative to attack Israel indefinitely. So removing them is the only way Israel could hope to have any security. In fact by not depopulating Gaza, the Israel government is failing its people.
Well the crazy thing is he's saying by allowing the rave to happen (in a totally benign region in the South), Israel put their own people in harm's way.
So now we GOTTA do Gaza. I mean I can't wait to hear how we justify the day to day over there. It should be a cracking explanation.
It's 41KM from Be'er Sheva to Gaza. I can't wait to hear about how allowing night clubs in Be'er Sheva is a crime, risking civilians. Are raves allowed in Gaza btw? Can they throw them?
If Israeli people can support their terrorist govt and then say oh no I quit I’m a civilian now
Can Hamas fighters do the same?
If someone fights for Hamas and then decides they don't want to be a combatant anymore, sure, why not? I don't care. That's the dream. To deradicalize them, recognize Israel, and stop the fighting. This is THE thing we hope for.
But what does that have to do with people finishing their service, and being butchered at home by armed henchmen? Your thought train is so all over that it's hard to make sense of you.
Don't take this the wrong way, but what language is your first language? I'm trying to find the area where we are failing to communicate here.
If someone fights for Hamas and then decides they don't want to be a combatant anymore, sure, why not? I don't care. That's the dream. To deradicalize them, recognize Israel, and stop the fighting. This is THE thing we hope for.
But what does that have to do with people finishing their service, and being butchered at home by armed henchmen? Your thought train is so all over that it's hard to make sense of you.
Don't take this the wrong way,
im clearly laying out that israel has done much worse to Palestine , and I am using your own metrics
what is confusing?
israel uses illegal settlers to extend their presence in disputed areas.
isreal arms the settlers and they murder innocent Palestinians
israel doesnt prosecute their own terrorists
israel has 1000 palestinian hostages
isreal throws parties on land that was palestinian and then acts surprised when people in war zones get attacked
what part of these facts are you confused about?
please stop spreading lies
1200 israeli people who were mostly ex military were killed on oct 7
if israel killed 1200 ex hamas people, nobody would care
out of the 1200 ex military people who were killed, a bunch of them were murdered by Israel
So being an ex-military in (check note) *a country with mandatory military service* now disqualifies you from being a civilian and it's *the same as being an active participant of the terrorist organization called Hamas*.
Wow.
And btw the point is a lot of Israeli people are actually arab people. And some of them were assassinated by Hamas that day.
So being an ex-military in (check note) *a country with mandatory military service* now disqualifies you from being a civilian and it's *the same as being an active participant of the terrorist organization called Hamas*.
Wow.
And btw the point is a lot of Israeli people are actually arab people. And some of them were assassinated by Hamas that day.
or you can be an active participant of the terrorist organization known as the IDF
who has killed more civilians? thats how you judge a terrorist group right, by the number of civilians they have killed
