Israel/Palestine thread
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Israel’s buffer zone is on the Gazan side of the border, effectively shrinking the land size of Gaza and militarizing it. Egypt builds their buffer zones on the Egyptian side of the border on their own soil. Egypt doesn’t destroy Palestinian farmland and infrastructure. Just curious if that’s changed.
They’re not quite the same thing. Ducy?
(This should be an easy one, even for Mets.)
Hamas didn’t slaughter 1200+ Egyptians and kidnap 200+ more.
Not quite the same thing, ducy?
You misspelled prisoners.
I’d say you know that, but given your posting history, you seem more ignorant than anything else.
Prisoners. Hostages. Basically the same thing in this conflict.
But you knew that
99.9% conviction rate and many many many of their hostages die from neglect and or murder. Not to mention the rapes
But you knew that , right?
Prisoners. Hostages. Basically the same thing in this conflict.
But you knew that
99.9% conviction rate and many many many of their hostages die from neglect and or murder. Not to mention the rapes
But you knew that , right?
A hostage is a civilian who is ripped from their home by arms terrorists.
A prisoner is someone who tried to murder Israelis and is locked up for their violent crimes.
The neglect/murder/rape is absolute fallacy. Like the majority of your posting.
So by your logic Palestine can’t take prisoners ever cause they don’t have a place to lock them up
Right?
So people getting neglected / murdered or raped in Israeli prisons is a complete fallacy?
Want to back that up with $$$?
So by your logic Palestine can’t take prisoners ever cause they don’t have a place to lock them up
Right?
So people getting neglected / murdered or raped in Israeli prisons is a complete fallacy?
Want to back that up with $$$?
By my logic, prisoners aren’t people taken from their homes. Of course that’s logical to any normal person.
Show me proof that “many many many” were raped and murdered.
So by your logic Palestine can’t take prisoners ever cause they don’t have a place to lock them up
Right?
So people getting neglected / murdered or raped in Israeli prisons is a complete fallacy?
Want to back that up with $$$?
Besides maybe some very civilized Scandinavian countries I think a certain percentage of all detainees worldwide are subject to this type of abuse. It's not Israeli specific. And when a country is invading they cast quite a wide net rounding up anyone they think could remotely be part of the resistance which I'm sure you know all about having served in Iraq.
A hostage is a civilian who is ripped from their home by arms terrorists.
A prisoner is someone who tried to murder Israelis and is locked up for their violent crimes.
The neglect/murder/rape is absolute fallacy. Like the majority of your posting.
"This emergency procedure, inherited from the British Mandate for Palestine (1920-1948), allows the Israeli army to imprison Palestinians indefinitely, without charge, trial or appeal."
"“It was around three in the morning when the Israeli soldiers surrounded the house."
"the court extended his detention by six months. That’s all that we know.”
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/...
This guy has spent 7 years in and out of Israeli custody with no charges.
“You are a senior Hamas officer who threatens the regions security” stood out.
Besides maybe some very civilized Scandinavian countries I think a certain percentage of all detainees worldwide are subject to this type of abuse. It's not Israeli specific. And when a country is invading they cast quite a wide net rounding up anyone they think could remotely be part of the resistance which I'm sure you know all about having served in Iraq.
The article you posted said there were 1200 detained under the program on oct 7 and now it's like 3500. So yes since the war they have rounded up ton of suspicious people it seems ...
It happens when a country is attacked
I get it during the war. But it's pretty ridiculous that it's still on the books in peace time.. but i guess technically you can say there has never been peace time.
It's still different than hostages. But i she it's nuanced
Israel’s buffer zone is on the Gazan side of the border, effectively shrinking the land size of Gaza and militarizing it. Egypt builds their buffer zones on the Egyptian side of the border on their own soil. Egypt doesn’t destroy Palestinian farmland and infrastructure. Just curious if that’s changed.
They’re not quite the same thing. Ducy?
(This should be an easy one, even for Mets.)
The buffer zone was on the "Egyptian" side of the border, but, like Israel's, Gaza's and most everyone else's, Egypt's government sucks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-ea...
I would be surprised if any of the residents here were Egyptian citizens. They were Palestinians.
Btw the present Israeli take of denying 2 state today is a very sound one imho. Working towards 2 state in two to five years seems great. But doing it today is hilarious, and it's funny that Biden and co are trying for those political points.
You can't give Hamas that victory. It creates perverse incentives to Oct 7th all over again.
And the truth is they don't want it as the world envisions. For Hamas, it's still from the River to the Sea. Until you deal with someone who will accept less than that, it's a non-starter. 2 state requires two sides willing to make it work. That's also why college kids chanting that is so unhelpful. Pushing these people to an objective they'll never reach is just emboldening them more to get killed.
"This emergency procedure, inherited from the British Mandate for Palestine (1920-1948), allows the Israeli army to imprison Palestinians indefinitely, without charge, trial or appeal."
"“It was around three in the morning when the Israeli soldiers surrounded the house."
"the court extended his detention by six months. That’s all that we know.”
Do you accept it at face value that this is all because "he is a journalist," or do you suppose the story is purposefully obfuscating some pertinent facts?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/middleeas...
This is new border wall
Israel still has what they call "agency" and doesn't have to kill tens of thousands more people in Southern Gaza.
Welcome back Micro!
Not sure what that has to do with egypt
Building a wall but i guess if we talk about any country the answer is but but israel
Embarrassing performance microbet
Americans held bush and Obama to the same standard.
Do you think your morality is affected by if people criticize you or not?
"This emergency procedure, inherited from the British Mandate for Palestine (1920-1948), allows the Israeli army to imprison Palestinians indefinitely, without charge, trial or appeal."
"“It was around three in the morning when the Israeli soldiers surrounded the house."
"the court extended his detention by six months. That’s all that we know.”
It's not 'inherited from the British', that's lazy journalism, because the Israelis make their own laws. The only Israeli law that might meet that description, attempting to duplicate Mandate emergency measures in 1945-8 (which were principally directed at Zionist terrorists, not Arabs), would be the Emergency Powers (Detentions) Law 1979, which is generally held only to apply to pre-1967 Israel proper. The EU says it is rare for Palestinians in the Occupied Territory to be detained under this law. (Israeli law as such cannot apply in the Occupied Territory, which is under military rule.) The gentleman in the article is from Nablus in the West Bank, so was probably detained under the military Order Regarding Administrative Detention No.1591 of 2007, replacing a previous order of 1988. This is the order which allows a military commander to detain anyone without charge for six months, indefinitely renewable, though there is a review procedure by the Military Court of Appeal which, obviously, doesn't tend to help much.
'Seven Palestinians have died in detention since the start of the war' also stood out. And the gentleman in question is actually a journalist. I don't know if he has any position in Hamas, but the IDF probably don't know either, they just find him inconvenient, and they don't need to meet any evidential standard. The IDF commander's word is sufficient.
'Seven Palestinians have died in detention since the start of the war' also stood out. And the gentleman in question is actually a journalist. I don't know if he has any position in Hamas, but the IDF probably don't know either, they just find him inconvenient, and they don't need to meet any evidential standard. The IDF commander's word is sufficient.
That’s actually low( by prison standards) considering the war has been going on for months. thousands of people die in US detention every year. Considering that many of these Palestinian s are being arrested for terrorism that suggests the inhumanity of their detention isn’t as abnormal as many who focus on these things would like you to believe.
