Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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Bibi is a brilliant mofo/speaker. If you don't see it, that's a you thing.


by rafiki P

I . A bit like how this isolationist period in the USA is going to sadly be tremendously predictable. Being old has benefits, we aren't very surprised when people behave exactly as you'd expect them to.

which isolationist period?


by Dunyain P

The greater Muslim world (Turkey/Iran/Arab countries):

We have been doing genocide for the last 1300 years, especially the last 80 years. We still are. We will continue to do so until all Christians, Jews and the few remaining pagans have been completely converted or exterminated. Nothing you say will change anything, and if you annoy us too much we will turn off the oil, so just zip it if you know what is best for you. Go bother the J

And I really wonder why this "they had done it before" card isn't played more, because every single country, ethnicity or religious group did something bad before.

What's wrong with criticizing Israel, or criticizing anyone? That most people don't handle personal criticism well only proves how human nature is (bad), not that there is any absolute "wrong" with criticizing. They did bad things, just like the arabs also did, and they deserve to be called out on that.


by Schlitz mmmm P

A population of 1.8 billion is recruiting jihadis with the stated goal of eradicating a population of 17 million.

The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and not hateful. Wish I could say the same of Christians.


Dunyain is right, it's not they "did"
Probably a top 3 reason for the US being in Syria is to prevent turkey from taking out a ton of Kurds. Once Trump wins and removes the troops it's going to be a rough day for lots of Kurds.


by jalfrezi P

The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and not hateful. Wish I could say the same of Christians.

So the vast majority of Christians are hateful and not peaceful? Cite and source?


by chillrob P

Is it anti-Islamic bigotry to believe what the holy book of Islam says?

If using cherry-picked Koran quotations that you don't understand makes you feel less conflicted about supporting this mass slaughter, go ahead.


Wow. US air force man sets himself on fire outside Israeli embassy
https://time.com/6821425/israel-embassy-...


An active duty Air Force soldier immolated himself in front of the Israeli embassy, shouting Free Palestine. This won't get much coverage, so I'll repost this in respect of the sacrifice of a life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world...


what a dick


by BOIDS P

what a dick

this what you mean



You gotta be pretty mentally ill to burn yourself alive

by Bill Haywood P

An active duty Air Force soldier immolated himself in front of the Israeli embassy, shouting Free Palestine. This won't get much coverage, so I'll repost this in respect of the sacrifice of a life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world...

Yeah. Other than your linked NY Times piece, lots more MSM outlets covering it-
https://www.google.ie/search?q=aaron+bus...

-and its own wiki page, it's a total news blackout on the incident. It must be the Zionists doing...




Okay... Bye Bye now!


by metsandfinsfan P

There was no palestine run by the Palestinians so Israel didn't take their land


They have deeds issued under the Ottomans and later the British. Private ownership, yo.

Here's an Ottoman deed from 1883:



by corpus vile P

You gotta be pretty mentally ill to burn yourself alive

Yeah. Other than your linked NY Times piece, lots more MSM outlets covering it-

maybe its just a blackout on honest reporting


by Bill Haywood P

They have deeds issued under the Ottomans and later the British. Private ownership, yo.

Here's an Ottoman deed from 1883:


Mets how does your position change with this new information?


by BOIDS P

what a dick

I gather the US armed forces are having recruitment problems, like the British armed forces, and they appear to have recruited a right one there. A bit like that ex-officer who burbles about captured alien spacecraft.


by Crossnerd P

And nobody lived there, it was completely empty! 🙄

'A land without people for a people without land!' This was never true, except in the sense that the settlers did not regard the existing inhabitants as 'people', and still apparently don't.


According to Reuters, an Israeli delegation has today gone to Qatar for ceasefire talks. Netanyahu says he won't call off the assault on Rafah, but it doesn't seem to have started. Of course he needs to put pressure on Hamas to release the remaining hostages.


I am very grateful to have known Palestinian people growing up and to have had a random Palestinian guy help me in a time of need.

If I didn’t know these people it would be more difficult to have empathy for them but I do not abstain the genocide supporters from their guilt


by PointlessWords P

I am very grateful to have known Palestinian people growing up and to have had a random Palestinian guy help me in a time of need.

If I didn’t know these people it would be more difficult to have empathy for them but I do not abstain the genocide supporters from their guilt

Do you think it is helpful for Palestinians to have western "allies" such as yourself that criticize Israel and its supporters, but are completely supportive of their suicidal, nihilistic actions?

I dont. I think that is how this continues indefinitely and nothing gets better. The last thing Palestinians need is empathy from people that just support antisocial behavior that ensures their condition never improves.


they are not suicidal and nihilistic. they are fighting for freedom.


by Victor P

maybe its just a blackout on honest reporting

Or maybe it's you moving the goalposts. The claim was that it wouldn't be reported much, not that the reporting wouldn't meet your personal criteria for honesty and it's all over MSM which belies said claim. And whaddya mean honest, if they reported the fact that a dude set fire to himself outside the Israeli embassy in Washington, then that's honest reporting as a dude really did burn himself alive in that location, the end.


by Bill Haywood P

They have deeds issued under the Ottomans and later the British. Private ownership, yo.

Here's an Ottoman deed from 1883:


I didn't deny their homes. I said there was no nation


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