The costs of trans visibility

There is nothing stopping men from walking into womens bathrooms as it is lol. You are just making up problems to be mad at.

Most parents take their kids swimming and it is exactly this and young kids are in opposite gender change rooms at the pool all the time (and bathrooms everywhere else). At some point, I don't really remember when we did it, most people sort of age out of it and go to some sort of family/universal change room instead.

main experience been in china and korea, also heard a big thing in japan and taiwan as well - those places are cold and dry for the most part

they have towels in these places (or bring their own) but they definitely prefer to blow dry

I myself hadn't noticed Rick's comment re a long list so my apologies for my remark about goalposts being moved. However, that doesn't nullify the validity of the history provided.

There's nothing stopping them, but if they do it and get caught they will get arrested. I don't want that to change.

A woman poker player in vegas posted some guy in the womens bathroom during the wsop in an attempt to shame and blame and nothing happened to the guy (he wasn't trans). They probably wont get arrested unless they commit some sort of assault. (all signs point to this guy just having a bathroom emergency)

Impulsive perverts will do impulsive things if they are legal or not.

There are plenty of outlets for perverts that don't involve dressing up as a woman to walk in bathrooms and peek through cracks, or whatever it is you've convinced yourself might happen. You can safely assume there wont be some epidemic of this happening because it doesn't happen now.

he's clearly uninterested in reality - prefers the intangible rhetorical because it holds up better, hence his staunchness in avoiding discussion of the answers provided and just quietly changing the subject - hence why i ignored his obvious troll question from the start

many days and gangsta posts later, he has still not responded to any of it despite that it came at his personal request

solid evidence this thread is fairly and objectively moderated

I get it, you're not going to stop all bad actors. But why create loopholes in the rules to make it easier for perverts?

Would you be happy with your wife and daughter being in a swimming pool locker room and seeing someone like Lia Thomas walk in? Regardless of whether that person is an actual threat to them, it's going to make them very uncomfortable (and rightly so) because there's no way for them to be sure if it's an actual trans person or a pervert dressed up as a woman. Why subject them to that when there's an easy fix of just asking trans people to be considerate and not use the womens' facilities?

I have never seen anyone arrested for going into the wrong bathroom. Not in any bar, sporting event or concert where I frequently see it occur.

You were asked to post evidence of a "very long list" of "predators" using the "trans loophole"

Someone else posted a sample of 2 convicts

Why are you parading around like you've dunked on anyone? You seem to be completely wrong about your claim

There are crimes of passion and crimes of opportunity. Most murders are crimes of passion. Most sexual assaults are crimes of opportunity.

The way the rules work now, you limit the number of opportunities for bathroom incidents.

There are plenty of people who shouldn't be left alone in a room with a cheesecake, but themselves wouldn't actively seek one out if it wasn't immediately available. I'm fine if there's some friction between me and the availability of cheesecake. I'm not going to go out of the way to put on pants, drive to a store, and endure the judgmental stares of the old lady manning self checkout while I stuff my lone purchase into a bag and scurry out of the building. But if I walk into a room and there's a classic New York sitting there all alone without any witnesses, I'm going to make some poor choices.

Not allowing men in the women's bathroom is the friction here. People will notice someone being somewhere they shouldn't be. Don't eliminate the friction for people who won't be able to behave themselves.

I googled Lia Thomas and they look like a tall unattractive (to me) woman. Maybe you are implying that women are uncomfortable around unattractive people? I dunno.

What kind of bars and events are you going to? I've been to my share and I don't think I've ever seen this happen, except if someone is stumbling around drunk. Only time I can think of is when lady's room had a long line and my girlfriend went to the men's room while I stood by the door to make sure no one else went in while she was in there. Other than a situation like that I can't really imagine this happening without someone at least getting booted out of the bar.

there were quite a few posts on it, the article i posted mentioned several bathroom assaults

Do you remember North Carolina in 2016? Pepridge Farm remembers

8 years later there has been no epidemic of perverts, yet the arguments are still literally exactly the same.

Its fake concern used to hide the true purpose of limiting the rights of those you deem undesirable. I'm sorry if that fact offends anyone, but there really is no hiding from it.

Now you have to make the statistics relative

The onus is on you to prove your point.

Probably the same places as you because it usually happens when there is a significantly longer wait for one sex's bathroom. I have never even seen anyone kicked out.

Usually people just... tolerate it. The only assault I have ever seen in the bathroom was a 2v1 beating between males.

Sounds like you've never been to Asheville.

My wife is not a transphobe and I presume my daughter won't grow up to be one either. They are also both their own person and me being happy or not happy is not really a factor for anything. Like many women, my wife has been a victim of sexual harassment in public and is very cautious of warning signs in certain scenarios. But the more presence of someone minding their own business is not one of them.

The point being that the full force of people in this thread came up with, what, 5 examples?

Sexual assault in bathrooms isn't even common statistically before you normalize for trans population

You guys better come up with a lot more examples if you want to convince anyone there is an issue to be addressed or stopped here

I responded later that evening (in my time zone).

That was almost certainly because lines at the men's room were very long during a tournament break where few women were playing. I have been to quite a few events where there were more women or attendance was about even where women used the men's restrooms, and no one tried to shame them.

This is another reason for unisex restrooms.

No, fellow swimmers have said they were uncomfortable with "her" walking around her schlong hanging out.

Well that was rude of you. It wouldn't keep me from going in if I needed to use the restroom, and you shouldn't have tried to stop anyone from going where they were supposed to go in order to 'protect' someone in the wrong place.