The costs of trans visibility

nah.

I dont believe that they are raking in more money, who is?
The girls that lost their spot to lia are not thanking her, surely.
that who was supposed to win, did she make more money?
riley gaines or whatever her name is? maybe though other deals

yea you need a michael phelps type, who is smaching every record in the olympics. what lia is doing but in the wrong category.

here is gold, if it is true.

Lia Thomas is attracted to girls. still!
and now has unrestricted access to womens lockers.

"Teammates say they are uncomfortable changing in locker room with trans UPenn swimmer Lia Thomas

Thomas, 22, who spent the previous three years swimming with the men’s team before she began transitioning to a woman, has created an uneasy environment in the locker room, as she still retains her biologically male genitalia — which are sometimes exposed — and is attracted to women, one teammate told the Daily Mail in an interview."

https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/teammates-...

Lia Thomas is an AGP-- they're still attracted to women they just get sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as women.

maybe college nobody cares idk, but these are your best athletes, who make it to the olyimpics etc after.

So Lia Thomas is becoming a trans, to be a lesbian?
That doesnt make sense, but I heard it before.
A shrink should establish her main intentions here.
It could be the scam of the century.

“It’s definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women,” the swimmer said. Thomas has reportedly told her teammates that she dates women."

yea or shes doing it out of other reasons.

No someone found some alternative instagram account of hers that was full of AGP stuff.

then why doesnt she make more progress in transitioning?
people 2-3 years into transitioning have made way more progess.
their voice have changed, they have boobs, etc.
lia doesnt have any of this.not even boobs, its flat, cause thats more fast.
shes is making the least transitioning so her times are best.

Idk. Benjamin Boyce on youtube has some good interviews with people-- both sexologists and AGPs themselves that delves into the phenomenon, but I don't think they have a super strong drive to fully transition since they don't actually see themselves as the opposite sex, they just get off from it.

yea, its a well known penom.

I wouldn't say that. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who has ever mentioned it here.

This is true*. But it seems you are suggesting that if half the team is uncomfortable because one individual is allowed access, then they should all just make other arrangements?

*chillrob's arguments are, as usual, a bit disjointed.

One of the first signs of a statement no one will agree with.

First of all, there is a lot more to sports than pro sports. But much more importantly, numerous pro sports have rules around the participation of transgender athletes, and I can't recall anyone here speaking out against them.

I certainly think males and females should change in separate locker rooms given the amount of nudity that occurs. While I expect more nudity, semi -nudity in a female bathroom, generally I doubt there is much in either. But locker rooms, it's expected.

Which is why the dads bringing daughters into the male locker room for convenience but wanting to criminalize trans access to bathrooms is so ridiculous.

I don't think there is a contradiction there and I really doubt those dads would be letting their daughters sexually assault anyone.

did you not realize that i was using the same wording as the original poster deliberately?

do people not even read the threads they post in? they just rush to talk as fast as possible?

like i may only come to this hellscape to dunk on people for cathartic value, but at least i'm reading the threads that i'm posting in.

She is (or was, Im not sure now) a teammate, of course. It's her traveling around the country speaking to far right groups on this issue that makes her an activist. And you can tell it from her wording that she just doesnt accept that transgender people are real. I get the part about feeling uncomfortable about seeing male genitalia. But it was her comment about lia being a biological male watching other women undress that gives it away. If Lia had transitioned to include bottom surgery so genitalia was no longer the issue, it's clear that in her mind lia is still a man looking at women undress. She will never accept the concept of a trans woman mentally being a woman. So will always view them as creepy guys trying to sneak looks at naked women.

Her wording is also loaded. Ive been in many locker rooms and have seen many naked men in them. But I never considered myself "watching" men getting undressed. Seeing, yes. Watching, no. Watching has a very specific meaning in this situation which is very more sinister sounding then saying, yeah, lia was in there changing and we were all changing. Would she say she was watching the other women getting undressed also? Or just lia?

Sure, I cant say what was traumatic to her. But considering she is in a sport where the men walk around in wet speedos I find it a bit unbelievable that the mere sight of a penis was so traumatic to her personally. And again, Indidnt see anything in that quote that implied lia was doing anything other than changing.

What Im saying is that I think it is two different issues. There is the issue of women seeing a penis and that makes them feel uncomfortable. But say Lia came back from spring break and had bottom surgery so no more male genitals. Would they then say they are comfortable with her being in the locker room? Has her gaze suddenly been transformed from a creepy guy to one of the girls because his junk was removed?

As I mention in another post, I think the use of the word watching is deliberately inflammatory. Does she see women getting undressed? Of course. I've seen many men undressed in locker rooms, but never felt I was "watching" them. Are all the other teammates also "watching" each other getting undressed or simply seeing them? Watching carries a sinister connotation.

I'm not talking about fully transitioned trans women and Lia Thompson isn't the only pre transition trans woman. I'm talking about pre transtioned tgw in general. People are individuals with most being decent and some being creeps, from whatever demographic. So the broad point and question remains.

There is a a very fine line between seeing/watching and hearing/listening fwiw.

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure what happened, but we're generally supposed to trust women when they say they have been violated right? She said Lia was watching them, so I assume she was watching them unless told otherwise.

Also remember, she wasn't told in lb advance about this. Actually my understanding from the article is that she was not on the same team as Lia. Seems odd that opposing teams would use the same changing room, but that seems to be the case.

Anyway, so she's maybe just changed into her suit, or maybe mid change, sitting on a bench, and she turns around to see a dick a foot from her face, with Lia looking down at her from 6'4". Honestly that sounds like it could be pretty traumatic to me. And of course that's going to make her think of Lia as a man. Not too many 6'4" women with dicks, and none on swim teams before this. As others have pointed out, Lia has done nothing to change her appearance to look feminine except grow her hair out, which is normally covered when swimming. Have you seen photos of Lia at the swim meets? She looks about as feminine as I would look if I put on a woman's swimsuit.

This is the standard at pretty much every swim meet. Pools usually have 2 changing rooms, one for men, one for women.