ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
an increase in the scope of government isn't always fascism, but it's a necessary not sufficient condition of fascism. Decreasing the role of government in society instead is always anti-fascist. The lss gvmnt does the less fascism is physically possible.
Trump isn't authoritarian at all in the sense of wanting to dismantle individual freedoms, of controlling people behaviour and so on. He doesn't give a **** about how you go about your life
No, he just wants to be god emperor king, never to be questioned or criticised, and for his word to be law. Maybe autocratic is a better word.
Trump isn't authoritarian at all in the sense of wanting to dismantle individual freedoms, of controlling people behaviour and so on. He doesn't give a **** about how you go about your life, what you eat, what you say and isn't willing to use widespread state violence to force behaviour upon you, at least, he is less than normal leftist politicians are.
He is authoritarian in the sense that he wants little or no limits on his personal power.
He absolutely would be more likely than most any Democrat to use the National Guard (and try to use the military) to control the domestic population. There have widespread reports that Trump is interested in using the Insurrection Act as a loophole around the Posse Comitatus Act. And several of the people around him floated the idea that he could invoke the Insurrection Act as a basis to stay in power despite losing the 2020 election.
Also, he absolutely would like to control speech more than most any Democratic politician. Trump has been arguing for decades that it should be easier to sue the media.
Above all else, he's broken the country the most by turning everyone into sore loser bitches just like he is. This sentiment is going to drag on for quite a while, and it's sad. Not a shred of evidence after thousands of hours of investigations and dozens and dozens of court rulings. But nope, everyone's a bitch boy now just like their golden idol:
If he wins, "see? fair election". If he loses, "wahhh, deep state, immigrants, voter fraud".
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I think it depends on how you define a fair election. I don't think there was any sort of tampering with the poll machines or anything like that, but having the intelligence community and social media come together to knowingly lie to prevent a story blowing up that would hurt one candidate doesn't exactly describe a fair election.
I'll need to read the case more carefully when I have time, but I have hefty reservations that it's as egregious as you are making it out to be.
Proven fact is the FBI told facebook, twitter and others to remove content about the election and covid.
They state they did that without any pressure / threat, like "please dear facebook if you are so inclined, could you remove this", court of appeal agrees with plaintiff they actually threatened regulatory action and in general state violence to force them to comply with their censorship requests.
Biden is on the record claiming publicly "facebook kills people", but surely when Biden FBI goes to facebook to ask to remove content about covid they dislike or that goes counter Biden admin narrative, they aren't threatening any regulatory action sure.
Biden about social media "killing people"
He is authoritarian in the sense that he wants little or no limits on his personal power.
He absolutely would be more likely than most any Democrat to use the National Guard (and try to use the military) to control the domestic population. There have widespread reports that Trump is interested in using the Insurrection Act as a loophole around the Posse Comitatus Act. And several of the people around him floated the idea that he could in
He had 2 emergencies where he could have used that (BLM riots and covid). In one of the two cases, he even had republican senators asking for that explicitly (on the NYT no less).
Cotton pens an opinion piece asking to SEND THE TROOPS against BLM rioters. BLM rioters being almost the symbol of everything the right hates the most, especially the racist right, some of Trump core base.
He didn't do anything. He didn't even prosecute BLM rioters to the full extent of the law with his DOJ.
I know facts matter less and less these days but if you define someone as authoritarian, claim there are "rumors" he might use soldiers for his own benefit, and you check when he actually could have done that... and he absolutely didn't... then well, sorry but MAYBE those "rumors" are fabricated by people who are desperate because they risk losing an election that should be a lock.
I think it depends on how you define a fair election. I don't think there was any sort of tampering with the poll machines or anything like that, but having the intelligence community and social media come together to knowingly lie to prevent a story blowing up that would hurt one candidate doesn't exactly describe a fair election.
Given that fair is a moral/ethical word not a legal one, even allowing voting from home without a reason could be construed as unfair for some people.
Eliminating public schools is a tragedy for the poor and a gift to private corporations. This and the effects of covid are killing our education system. This in no way benefits anyone but private corporations. Public education has made us great and some would argue it's a pillar of democracy.
LOL at saying public education has made us great. I think eliminating public schools would be a move in the right direction, but I think school vouchers is the optimal play - I guess in the long-run these are the same things, but with the vouchers it take longer but will ultimate prove that the private sector is better than the government at everything. The biggest winners in this change will be poor people who can't afford a private education.
The effects of covid had no impact on the welfare of our education system. Government policy enacted "because of covid" did have a large effect though.
While I agree politicians shouldn't control the fed, you do know how long the fed kept interest rates artifically low and how much and how long they printed money following covid. Have you seen the change in the size of the fed's balance sheet?
LOL at saying public education has made us great. I think eliminating public schools would be a move in the right direction, but I think school vouchers is the optimal play - I guess in the long-run these are the same things, but with the vouchers it take longer but will ultimate prove that the private sector is better than the government at everything. The biggest winners in this change will be poor people who can't afford a private educat
School vouchers are actually what project 2025 asks for.
Thanks. At this point I should just assume LOLwat and other liberals are just exaggerating on their interpretation of what the right is saying/doing.
As the next Administration executes its work, it should be guided by a few core
principles, including:
l Advancing education freedom. Empowering families to choose among
a diverse set of education options is key to reform and improved outcomes,
and it can be achieved without establishing a new federal program. For
example, portability of existing federal education spending to fund families
directly or allowing federal tax credits to encourage voluntary contributions
to K–12 education savings accounts managed by charitable nonprofits, could
significantly advance education choice.
l Providing education choice for “federal” children. Congress has a
special responsibility to children who are connected to military families,
who live in the District of Columbia, or who are members of sovereign tribes.
Responsibility for serving these students should be housed in agencies that
are already serving these families.
l Restoring state and local control over education funding. As
Washington begins to downsize its intervention in education, existing
funding should be sent to states as grants over which they have full control,
enabling states to put federal funding toward any lawful education purpose
under state law.
l Treating taxpayers like investors in federal student aid. Taxpayers
should expect their investments in higher education to generate economic
productivity. When the federal government lends money to individuals for a
postsecondary education, taxpayers should expect those borrowers to repay.
l Protecting the federal student loan portfolio from predatory
politicians. The new Administration must end the practice of acting like
the federal student loan portfolio is a campaign fund to curry political
support and votes. The new Administration must end abuses in the loan
forgiveness programs. Borrowers should be expected to repay their loans.
l Safeguarding civil rights. Enforcement of civil rights should be based on
a proper understanding of those laws, rejecting gender ideology and critical
race theory.
Stopping executive overreach. Congress should set policy—not
Presidents through pen-and-phone executive orders, and not agencies
through regulations and guidance. National emergency declarations should
expire absent express congressional authorization within 60 days after the
date of the declaration.
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"literal fascism" according to the experts.
Spoil system is what everyone does anyway, Trump isn't special about it.
But the career bureaucrats, those outside of the spoil system, are exceptionally left-leaning. So you either include them in the spoil system, or remove all their power.
The fact that you seem not to acknowledge is that today, all agencies are basically leftist power centers. The career people are 80-90% leftists. Any leftist president is ALREADY a king, while a rightwi
I don't know how you think career bureaucrats decide policy; they are all under supervision by political appointees.
Saying they're 80-90% leftist sounds like an extreme guess as well. Was there some poll given with these results?
The idea that it would be undemocratic to have all executive functions act organically as one to implement the elected president agenda, within the limit of executive powers and the constitution, is absurd.
What is undemocratic is today state, where a rightwing president being elected is blocked from his own constitutionally affirmed powers by leftwing federal employees
When exactly did this happen?
He had 2 emergencies where he could have used that (BLM riots and covid). In one of the two cases, he even had republican senators asking for that explicitly (on the NYT no less).
Cotton pens an opinion piece asking to SEND THE TROOPS against BLM rioters. BLM rioters being almost the symbol of everything the right hates the most, especially the racist right, some of Trump core base.
He didn't do anything. He didn't even prosecute BLM rioters
Rumors? Trump has talked publicly on numerous occasions about the possibility of using the military to combat crime, control domestic unrest, and quell dissent. It's true that he did not invoke the Insurrection Act in his first term, and that a couple of Republicans suggested he should, but that's hardly a defense of Trump.
As an aside, I think you are a little naive about how people like Tom Cotton end up writing editorials relating to the Insurrection Act. There is no way to know for certain, but I suspect that it doesn't happen very often without some sort of prior conversation with the White House, especially when the senator in question was very close to the White House and eventually ended up on a short list for a SCOTUS nomination.
Saying they're 80-90% leftist sounds like an extreme guess as well. Was there some poll given with these results?
And a wildly inaccurate guess to boot.
Saying they're 80-90% leftist sounds like an extreme guess as well. Was there some poll given with these results?
I mean , really?
WASHINGTON – The largest union representing federal and D.C. government employees, the American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO (AFGE), today announced its endorsement of Joe Biden for president in the 2020 election.
And a wildly inaccurate guess to boot.
I wrote washington federal employees
And of course it's only agencies we were talking, not stuff like militaries lol
Defense, homeland security and veteran affairs are more than half the fed employees nationwide and we aren't discussing them.
We are discussing the people writing EPA regulations and the like.
And of course it's only agencies we were talking, not stuff like militaries lol
Defense, homeland security and veteran affairs are more than half the fed employees nationwide and we aren't discussing them.
We are discussing the people writing EPA regulations and the like.
I'm pretty sure the survey I cited wasn't polling active military.
