Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Yes. Those words are often used together anyway (delusional thinking"). But to say the very fact that they think they have a gender identity at all,much less one that doesnt match their biological sex is "objectively false" is the heart of the issue. I think people need to take a higher up look at the forest rather than try and look at individual trees. Look at the purpose of the policy, and then look at the purpose or meaning of the post i
Stating this doesn't seem to me to imply that anyone has a mental illness.
Looking at it from the opposite side, I don't have a gender identity - do you think that means I am mentally ill?
Lol. You should stop trying to bring personal stuff into this discussion. As I said, it's inappropriate. It would be as if I suggested you must be a hurt individual who is bullied all day in real life so your only outlet from your daily submissiveness is to be rude on the internet. That wouldn't be nice.
You should not ban good posters
Yes. Those words are often used together anyway (delusional thinking"). But to say the very fact that they think they have a gender identity at all,much less one that doesnt match their biological sex is "objectively false" is the heart of the issue. I think people need to take a higher up look at the forest rather than try and look at individual trees. Look at the purpose of the policy, and then look at the purpose or meaning of the post i
Can you please point me to WHERE IN THE RULES denying the existence of gender identities (which isn't the same as denying the existence of trans people) is not allowed in this forum?
Mod question: if i deny the existence of ANY gender identity that the left just invented, that's a bannable offense? if we are instead allowed to deny the existence of "two spirit" as a gender identity, and not other gender identities, where in the rule can i find the list of the protected gender identities i can't deny exist?
Can you please point me to WHERE IN THE RULES denying the existence of gender identities (which isn't the same as denying the existence of trans people) is not allowed in this forum?
Im not going to continue to go over this issue with you. Ive already explained it. The overall meaning of your posts is clear. You should quit trying to wordsmith your way around the prohibition on expressing what your obvious feelings are.
By denying the existence of gender separate from sex, you are, in fact, saying to all transgender people that "it's all in their head" and they suffer from delusions. That is the very thing that is prohibited in this forum. You are welcome to your opinion. But that opinion, contradicted by the major medical associations who deal with this subject matter, is not welcome here.
Yeah gender isn't a real thing. It's a social construction. There is no "gender center of the brain" and that's why people don't suffer traumatic brain injury and think they are a different gender-- unlike with language where people can suffer traumatic brain injuries and lose the ability to speak or process language. (these are called Wernicke's and Broca's areas)-- what is the gender area called?
So I'll take my ban now. You can't force us to accept pseudoscience.
Browser could increase the dramatic effect for the boy that calls ban.
But who cares LB, as you also claim nationality is a social construct and we don't allow discrimination based on it. No one GAF about this distinction.
Browser could increase the dramatic effect.
But who cares LB, as you also claim nationality is a social construct and we don't allow discrimination based on it. No one GAF about this distinction.
Umm.....we discriminate based on nationality all the time. That's why different countries have different visa requirements.
But for sure there is definitely also no nationality part of the brain.
Browser could increase the dramatic effect for the boy that calls ban.
But who cares LB, as you also claim nationality is a social construct and we don't allow discrimination based on it. No one GAF about this distinction.
But yeah-- if the requirement is that we accept something that just isn't true then I refuse to do that. I like posting here but I'm not going to pretend like the emperor is wearing clothes to do so.
I was wondering what happened to Lucium.
I take it he was banned for challenging current progressive groupthink norms on gender identity (that probably no one will believe in 5 year always, because they are so incoherent)? And now LB is threatening to self ban out of principle over this?
Well, I hope things can be resolved without anyone being banned or leaving, as you are 2 of my favorite posters. Always appreciate thoughtful posters who bring more to the table than just vacuous moral outrage (Trolly and Victor, I am looking at you right now).
I was wondering what happened to Lucium.
I take it he was banned for challenging current progressive groupthink norms on gender identity (that probably no one will believe in 5 year always, because they are so incoherent)? And now LB is threatening to self ban out of principle over this?
Well, I hope things can be resolved without anyone being banned or leaving, as you are 2 of my favorite posters. Always appreciate thoughtful posters who
The fascist ant farmer is in your top 2. Quelle surprise.
I was wondering what happened to Lucium.
I take it he was banned for challenging current progressive groupthink norms on gender identity (that probably no one will believe in 5 year always, because they are so incoherent)? And now LB is threatening to self ban out of principle over this?
Well, I hope things can be resolved without anyone being banned or leaving, as you are 2 of my favorite posters. Always appreciate thoughtful posters who
I was temp banned because apparently using the word deluded to refer to trans people is considered calling them mentally ill, and that's against forum rules. And that's even after i repeatedly had wrote previously that i don't think trans people are all inherently mentally ill (which is why i dont think "trans care" should exist and it isn't a medical condition).
But yeah-- if the requirement is that we accept something that just isn't true then I refuse to do that.
This is a giant tangent, but I suspect most successful populations require exactly this for purposes of psychological wellbeing and social cohesion, whether it comes in the form of religion, or ideology, or whatever. But yeah, it makes the world a much duller place IMO when individuals with low amounts of agreeableness aren't allowed to step outside the magic show and point out reality every once in awhile.
Also, I am of the opinion modern day progressive ideology is so incoherent and incompatible with basic human nature and psychology, that it doesn't have much of a future. As opposed to religions like Islam and Christianity, which say a lot of things that are clearly factually untrue, but are very pschologically compatible with the human condition, and so have much more staying power.
"Say a lot of things that are factually untrue" presumably being a euphemism for group psychosis.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I'm referring to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which prohibits discrimination in hiring, promotion, discharge, pay, fringe benefits, job training, classification, referral, and other aspects of employment, on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.
I was temp banned because apparently using the word deluded to refer to trans people is considered calling them mentally ill, and that's against forum rules. And that's even after i repeatedly had wrote previously that i don't think trans people are all inherently mentally ill (which is why i dont think "trans care" should exist and it isn't a medical condition).
So say the rest of it. What is the cause of trans people?
I was wondering what happened to Lucium.
I take it he was banned for challenging current progressive groupthink norms on gender identity (that probably no one will believe in 5 year always, because they are so incoherent)? And now LB is threatening to self ban out of principle over this?
Well, I hope things can be resolved without anyone being banned or leaving, as you are 2 of my favorite posters. Always appreciate thoughtful posters who
I'm not threatening to self ban. I'm saying that gender is social construction and Browser is saying that that isn't allowed. So I expect him to ban me.
