The costs of trans visibility

why was rick permabanned?

I'm now picturing uke sitting there in his office looking at 14 inch high stack of student surveys and committing the listed pronouns for this semester to memory.

Do you have your flash cards with you right now? Quick! Give me a rundown of all this year's xems. First names only, obviously.

He said m*ntal illn*ss.

Edit: Can't be too careful.

he said that some, not all, which is not remotely controversial, there are people with mental health illness in all facets of life

there are lawyers with mental health illness

doctors with mental health illness

engineers with mental health illness

those are all true statements and do not confer that being a doctor necessarily means you are mentally ill

So what are "females" with dicks supposed to do when they are changing and some person comes up to them and tells them that they aren't welcome in the changing room because their exposed penis is giving them trauma?

According to Jackontheturn we must consider the persons trauma and do what? Just send all trans people to the mens area?

I don't have a problem if trans men are in female areas or trans women are in male areas because I want the criterion to be birth sex. If I hear women say that they have an issue with trans men in their spaces, or men say they have an issue with trans women in their spaces, those are other issues to consider separately.

It's not that I think women's point of view is the only one to consider, it's that I have considered both points of view and I believe the point of view of women who fear sexual violence should take precedence.

Why do people have to adapt to new social norms? The person pressing for the change should have the burden of showing why their proposed change (opening up female spaces) is a good idea.

Is it really that odd that a professor would learn the names of his students?

Or maybe its always been that way and its just more socially acceptable? People outed as gay weren't a thing in the 50s.

It might be some hormone we are putting in food for all we know. No clue if any real research has been done into the subject but it was a theory that hormones were making kids physically mature faster than in previous generations.

The reality is you have no ****ing clue but you'd rather theorize that there is some brainwashing conspiracy convincing kids to do something they otherwise wouldn't. Thats an extremely toxic stance to take that only furthers anti trans rhetoric. Its convenient.

1000 of them that rotate out every 16 weeks? Yes. That's some Rain Man level ****.

When did you become so disingenuous? Or did you just not read the post where he doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on calling the lot mentally ill?

"Who cares if we create other issues with my solution"

That isn't a solution

Yeah having a basic, adult job kinda sucks sometimes.

It helps to contextualize the world views in this thread by noting that "being good at your job" is considered a mental disorder

I just said I wouldn't call it brainwashing, and I wasn't trying to imply there was any conspiracy involved.

I'm sure there were some people who years ago considered themselves trans but weren't "out", but I really don't think it would have added up to the number I see now.

I believe there are plenty of people who in the past would never even have considered that they might be trans, but now that it is talked about so much that more people consider the idea. Social contagion is a real phenomenon.

I don't understand the question, if they have dicks they go to the bathroom with people with dicks (aka men) go to

If a trans man gets gender reassignment surgery, by your post I quoted, they are still female in your paradigm.

OK but re-labeling "brainwashing" as "social contagion" doesn't make these goofy-ass conspiracy theories any less absurd.

Its not a 'brainwashing conspiracy'.
Its a social contagion.

This is just an anecdote, but...
5-6 years ago, I was app dating and went out with a lovely gal who was a director in the theater and choir department for a high school in the area. Her politics were firmly left, with a tinge of inane woke talking points, but she wasn't lunatic-left at all. Just mainstream Democrat, center-left, a perfectly reasonable person.

She was, though, acutely out of sync with her broader political profile on the trans issue. We got into it, hers was perhaps the most interesting and truly exposure-informed perspective I've ever encountered on the topic.

Obviously, as a theater and choir department admin, she was squarely in the 'trans kids' social world.
(We have idiots here who muddy the waters with painfully lame arguments, so just in case you're one of them, please spare the argument about how the engineering kids are just as likely to be trans, too, as that would discredit credibility even though that's totally something some here would actually say)

When trans-mania was3 full steam in the latter 201X's, she had her first student come out as trans.
It was a literal party- like VE Day for the choir kids. The first trans kid in the theater and choir room 6was a celebrity; a hero.
Care to guess how the story unfolds?

Because you absolutely can guess it, and we both know you can guess it, and your being able to guess it without my telling you validates the credibility of the problem, but its a problem you will nevertheless deny exists... but for accounting purposes, lets start there.

Care to guess how the story unfolds?

It's not the same thing. Brainwashing implies intent, which I don't believe is there. That would be a conspiracy. Social contagion comes naturally through increased exposure to ideas.

What they get after surgery isn't a dick afaik, rather something with some resemblance of one. If a woman is distressed seeing that she will be told by the owner so, i don't understand the purported problem.

A woman (or a man) might have "disastrous" sacrilegous tatoos , or piercings as well, or other body modifications, that might create problems to viewers. That's the viewers problem not a societal problem, they just have to accept that.

What do we do if a guy in the men bathroom is full of swastikas tatooed on his back? nothing.

Looks like we've found the high school that spaceman Bryce and I should visit.

Ah, got it. The whole "Social Contagion" thing is just a dog whistle for "Rapid-onset Gender Dysphoria" which is just a right wing talking point to liken Transism to mental illness

Y'all really don't have much of a playbook

I'll probably be out of the thread for a while as this has all become quite trite.

The term social contagion doesn't even imply something negative, at least in my mind. It certainly doesn't imply mental illness. Social contagion can spread virtuous practices.