The Box of Chocolates Thread (You never know what you're going to get!)
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It’s fascinating how when men debate superiority, whether cultural or gender or race, it is always through the definitional lens of violence and domination.
Is this snipper from wiki completely false? Looks like the IRA in 1941 was actually allied with the Nazis.
Serious question as this is something I had no knowledge of previously
in 1940 the IRA called the Nazis "friends and liberators of the Irish people".
It's a weird spot for them, because the guys you hate are fighting Hitler. So I guess that's how we get to the feelings in this thread. You're not grateful to the guy who saved your mother's life, because he touched her titty a week before. Probably a fair analogy 😃
a new sort of feudal system with overlords and almost no-one working is definitely a possibility. That's not going to be capitalism as we have known it.
I think it will quickly tend to authoratarianism unless the people own these companies (which is my preferred option)
That's rentier capitalism which is already a thing in some places to a degree.
The people already own the companies for the most part, just not "equally".
Most companies are owned (in the sense of who gets the share of the profits) by the public, not by single individuals or families. A few of them are owned by the public but controlled by a few individuals /families (through special shares usually).
You think a world where google is owned by the American public in equal shares for everyone is better than a world where google is owned by people all over the world, but not everyone of them equally.
Why? How can you have competition which is the true engine of economic progress if the same people own all the companies lol, are they going to compete against themselves?
The problem with state ownership is that, + the control. When you don't personally gain from control, you control worse. The company does things worse under state control for obvious reasons. Controllers try to carve a gain for themselves and disregard actually producing what people demand efficiently. It happens all the times control is public, everywhere.
And of course if all is state you never have new companies
There were Axis diplomats in Dublin just before D-Day, I know that much. Enough that the allies were worried sick about the info being transmitted. I think it's a lot more complicated than we know. CV probably knows better.
This however, bad look for Ireland's government
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/d....
Douglas Hyde, Ireland's president during the second world war, offered condolences to Germany's representative in Dublin over the death of Adolf Hitler, newly declassified records show.
One might argue that had the indigenous cultures prevailed, we may have avoided the blights of unbridled capitalism, private ownership of literally everything, the pollution and destruction of basically every ecosystem on earth, the pillaging of every single natural resource, the mass extinction of species etc etc, and that would have been a “superior” outcome. But they could be dominated, so they were not superior. Ok. (Shrug)
If opposing British colonialism makes one a Nazi, I have news to share with you guys regarding India, America, and Canada.
That's rentier capitalism which is already a thing in some places to a degree.
The people already own the companies for the most part, just not "equally".
Most companies are owned (in the sense of who gets the share of the profits) by the public, not by single individuals or families. A few of them are owned by the public but controlled by a few individuals /families (through special shares usually).
You think a world where google is owned by
New eras never start with something that didn't already exist to an extent and quite possibility a large extent.
We're not goign to agree on whether a few companies owning everything while not even being dependent on a workforce is going to be good or not. I have to concede it's a real possibility but I dont expect them to be remotely benign or that voters will be remotely happy about it.
One might argue that had the indigenous cultures prevailed, we may have avoided the blights of unbridled capitalism, private ownership of literally everything, the pollution and destruction of basically every ecosystem on earth, the pillaging of every single natural resource, the mass extinction of species etc etc, and that would have been a superior outcome. But they could be dominated, so they were not superior. Ok. (Shrug)
Exactly one might argue that if previous non capitalistic occupants had prevailed, capitalism might not have happened in those places.
And given that capitalism, through competition, is what pushes technology, which is the only thing that lets us leave better than animals...
See this is the point. You need to claim that capitalism isn't a magnificent, exceptional development which massively improved human quality of life, to be against western colonizations.
It all goes back to that.
Capitalism is the only reason half our children don't die before they are five and we have time to discuss about abstract topics from around the world online
If opposing British colonialism makes one a Nazi, I have news to share with you guys regarding India, America, and Canada.
Trolly, I know you haven't figured it out yet because that's on brand for you, but the reason the Irish were so cold on fighting Hitler, was because he was fighting England (and a few other strategic reasons). In essence, most of the feelings in this thread come from the fact that Hitler bad, but England also bad. So I hate everyone.
And actually that stubbornness is kind of Irish! That's on brand too! (this part is a joke, it's funny I have to write that)
I'm waiting for CV to start throwing severed fingers at my door, lol.
The west turned the world into oil refineries and parking lots, and people apparently brag about this superior technology lol
I'm saying the neutral country that had very little issue with Hitler winning the war, probably was ok with a world where that flag hung in their streets. That's typically why you'd be neutral. So if that's why one would hate WC, I get it. It's consistent with the country's history. At very best, Ireland was very very chill with the Nazis.
Not the 42k beauties who fought. As discussed, legends every one. Reminds me of those who volunteered t
Swiss were neutral too, being neutral means...being neutral. And we were only technically neutral in name only anyway and provided help to the allies against the Axis
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/how-n...
https://www.historyireland.com/behind-th...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorat...
G2 first came to public attention during World War II (1939-1945), known in Ireland as The Emergency. Although Ireland had a policy of military neutrality and was "non-belligerent" during WWII, G2 formed secret agreements with the United Kingdom's Military Intelligence Section 5 (MI5) and the United States' Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). During this period, G2 intercepted German naval and aerial communications through listening stations located across Ireland, sharing the information with Allied forces.[23] Under Colonel Daniel "Dan" Bryan, Director of Intelligence, G2 apprehended all thirteen Nazi spies sent to Ireland, notably Hermann Görtz, and broke German codes during the war, under the supervision of cryptologist Richard J. Hayes.
During this period, G2 also undertook intelligence operations in Europe, including a notable covert mission in April 1943 where G2 officers travelled to neutral Portugal by flying boat, using the cover of the Irish Red Cross delivering supplies to refugees in Spain, in order to gather information on the Irish minister
Again you're clueless on history.
I've never said anything pro nazi on this forum so you can kiss me Irish arse mate.
Exactly one might argue that if previous non capitalistic occupants had prevailed, capitalism might not have happened in those places.
And given that capitalism, through competition, is what pushes technology, which is the only thing that lets us leave better than animals...
See this is the point. You need to claim that capitalism isn't a magnificent, exceptional development which massively improved human quality of life, to be against wester
Lmfao
Well no-- not all traits are the same. Some have a biological/genetic basis and some have a social basis.
All of the ones that have a social basis I'm happy to minimize, not just gender. If we had a thread about how important race is (which we've had) I'd be there talking about how race is artificial as well. (which I've done).
It is fine to "minimize" socially constructed categories at the academic/theoretical level. But I think it also important to realize in the real world how things work. As humans are hardwired to view the world around racial lines, telling them race isn't real isn't going to get you very far towards some post racial Star Trek utopian society.
In same way, there are real limitations to the penetration of progressive ideas around gender/sex, that we may already have hit. At some point, as great as something sounds at the software level, there are hardware constraints.
New eras never start with something that didn't already exist to an extent and quite possibility a large extent.
We're not goign to agree on whether a few companies owning everything while not even being dependent on a workforce is going to be good or not. I have to concede it's a real possibility but I dont expect them to be remotely benign.
Why few? If it's few it's bad.
And why owning everything? Houses are mostly owned by private individuals in most countries , and except in the USA they are the biggest asset class everywhere iirc.
Do you see people stopping owning houses if AI automatizes most service jobs? Why?
Yes if few entities own all the stuff that's terrible for human beings, which is why a single entity (the state) owning all stuff is the worst possible scenario lol
It’s fascinating how when men debate superiority, whether cultural or gender or race, it is always through the definitional lens of violence and domination.
Because otherwise you get eaten, that's how reality works independently from what you would like it to be.
If you are superior (however defined) in art but not militarily (which usually means economically as well) your art ends up in another population museum and your people genocided usually
I didn't say he did. I asked if perhaps that was the war outcome he might have preferred over the one Winston helped them secure. Seems like an honest question if someone hates WC so much.
CV the Swiss wound up with much of the Nazis spoils btw. i don' t think you want to be like 'we're like the Swiss'!
Let us agree that our leaders shouldn't offer condolences when Hitler dies, and move on.
The west turned the world into oil refineries and parking lots, and people apparently brag about this superior technology lol
What people who say this should do is try to live without western capitalist technology for a while, which especially in the USA is easy as undeveloped land is abundant and very cheap.
Just go and try to farm with fossil fuels and pesticides and tractors and so on.
Then do without antibiotics or modern capitalistic dentistry and painkillers when your children or you are suffering, then understand everything good in your life exists because of capitalism and life without it is hellish
Because otherwise you get eaten, that's how reality works independently from what you would like it to be.
If you are superior (however defined) in art but not militarily (which usually means economically as well) your art ends up in another population museum and your people genocided usually
Thank you, but I’ve heard this all before. If I had a dollar for every time some bro said he was the superior gender bc he had the ability to kill me, I’d buy you a ticket on the next Titianic sub
