The costs of trans visibility

If a normal hetero white boy kills himself they don't give a ****. That's reality. Many of them (not saying that's true for forum posters but certainly for many radical leftists) would actually be happy because one less privileged oppressor is around in society.

That's how they talk, that's how they act, that's how they live.

hrm. so you are either trans or not in a binary sense?

Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

This is just really nonsensical to anyone who's ever worked with a patient in a mental health setting. There's nothing about what you wrote that actually matches how evaluations take place.

Why? I mean, you made up some nonsense about me suggesting "you are supposed to always defer to [experts'] decision or you are a fascist.", and when I pointed that out, I got nothing but crickets.

What's the nonsense? I might not have been correct in saying you said or implied that, but certainly that's a very strong position of many people on the left.

Anyway about Nex death, some psycho people claimed that any attempt to deny the obviously ridiculous narrative that wanted to imply the bathroom use legislation caused that death, was akin to justify that death jfc

Except that's literally what experts say happened at tavistock

That's the nonsense, of course. And there is no "might not" involved.

You said experts opinions are basically always to be prefered to democratic preferences.

That's such an antidemocratic stance that basically destroys every notion of voters having a right to decide about outcomes in society, that the only normal way to frame that is a deep hatred for the demos , because trusting the people would bring about fascism (which is the basic dictatorship of the majority)

LOL, amazing. You probably should've just stuck with ignoring me. Are you actually trying to use this inaccuracy-filled pretzel reasoning to carry on with the idea that I suggested people are fascists for not listening to experts? That's...quite something.

It seems like Gender Queer has really had an impact on you. Ever since that discussion started, your posting has been more and more full of nonsense like this.

That's misleading. The Tavistock Clinic existed to address gender issues, so that really was all they were looking for. Because they were so overwhelmed, they seemed to stop the evaluation at that point and missed other issues that warranted referrals. They also seemed to attribute some symptoms to distress from gender identity instead of distress from other disorders.

What didn't happen, as far as I can tell and wouldn't make sense, is what you suggested: a clinician felt a patient didn't meet criteria for disorder X but would have given the diagnosis X had they felt the patient was wrong about their stated trans identity. Literally no one is missing out on a diagnosis of schizophrenia, as you suggest, due to a clinician accepting a patient's gender identity instead of considering it a symptom itself.

But would you accept that a patient's presenting with a trans identity could potentially be a sign of another issue? For example, being a victim of abuse, being caught up in a social contagion, struggling with homosexual feelings that are not accepted by their family, and so on?

What a wild fantasy you have created for yourself

Btw, everything isn't "left" and "right". I'm sure it helps simplify things down to "extreme leftist" and what not. Treating other humans like humans isn't intrinsically a leftist ideal.

Iirc this question has been asked to gangsta at various points and I don't think he's ever answered it... Maybe I'm wrong there.

Yes.

You have this exactly wrong.

First time for everything.

First AND second...in the same post!

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This narrative is extremely misleading. The Cass report and other whistle-blowers make clear that staff were put under pressure to adopt a gender affirming model due to ideological capture.

The volume of referrals might have exacerbated the problem of ideological capture, but it was not the cause of poor practice or the reason it was shut down.

yes.

Is one gender a core aspect of the self for each person? Because presumably that’s what you mean, right? That the transitioned to gender is a core aspect of self for the trans person.

If so, do you agree it would follow that we should expect ~ 50% of the population to be trans?

Do you believe 50% of the population is trans?

You lost me on the 50% thing. Could you elaborate on that?

A transgender person by definition is someone whose biological sex (ie male or female with rare exceptions) is different than the gender(man or woman) that they perceive themselves to be. This does not occur anywhere near 50% of the time. And it doesn't involve a "transitioned to" gender. There is the gender they already identify as their self that doesn't match their biological sex.

So I don't follow where your 50% is coming from.

They were specifically instructed to disregard the possibility of wrong self identification

I think the pertinent question is how often someone shows up at a gender clinic and gets a diagnosis of "we're not sure you're really transgender."

For example, if a patient presents as transgender, having had no gender identity issues until a few months ago when their parents got divorced and they moved to a new town and started spending most of their time online. It would seem that the sensible thing to do would be to help the patient process the trauma going on in their life and put gender issues on the back burner. But does this ever happen in real life?

Let's this how this goes

Over a dozen female athletes are suing the National Collegiate Athletics Association for letting transgender athletes compete against them and use female locker rooms in college sports.

At the center of the class-action lawsuit is Lia Thomas, the trans athlete who dominated the 2022 NCAA Swimming Championships while a student at the University of Pennsylvania. The suit states that both the NCAA and Georgia Tech, which hosted the event, knowingly violated Title IX, the federal statute that guarantees equal opportunity for men and women in college education and sports.

The lawsuit, the first federal action of its kind, seeks to change the rules, rendering any biological males ineligible to compete against female athletes. It demands the NCAA revoke all awards given to trans athletes in women’s competitions and “reassign” them to their female contenders. It also asks for “damages for pain and suffering, mental and emotional distress, suffering and anxiety, expense costs and other damages due to defendants’ wrongful conduct.”

https://www.thefp.com/p/exclusive-female...