Israel/Palestine thread

We'll see when they're finished I suppose. But yes, I am blaming the Gazan people for electing leadership who promised genocide. Karma sometimes comes back to bite those who desired evil.

hard to believe that you think a horrific brutal destructive war is better than...no war? well maybe not that hard to believe. liberals love war.

Hamas does not promise genocide. you should educate yourself and stop uncritically believing the most simplistic Hasbara.

most of the people killed did no "elect Hamas". it appears that you are just reaching for reasons to support their deaths. maybe work on yourself bc you have a lot of hatred for people you have never met.

Hard to believe you think what Gaza is going through is better than if they had just played nice and not attacked Israel. Commies (and Muslims) do love war though.

bruv they bomb Rafah every day. the innocent civilian death toll has not at all lessened.

They haven't had the chance to elect anyone since 2007. For all intents and purposes Hamas has been an authoritarian regime in Gaza since it defeated the PA in a de facto civil war.

To be clear, I still think Gazans broadly support Hamas today.

But the direction of causality isn't clear.

He doesn't. He just supports whatever makes the lives of those he hates difficult. He gives zero ****s about the well being of Gazans.

ya no ****.

ok again, I am not sure why this is so hard to understand.

I even explained a few posts ago. maybe you missed it. just like Zelenskyy deserves criticism and blame for the destruction of Ukraine, blame can be reasonably directed at Hamas.

however, it does not make much sense to blame the Ukrainian people or the Gazan people for poor decisions from their leaders.

do you see the difference? take a few seconds to think about it, maybe take a walk and calm down. its not a difficult concept but I think your anger towards Gazans and support of their murder clouds your judgment and you make flippant remarks without thinking. so I encourage you to take just a second bc this is not hard to understand.

Ye no civilian resurrected, because of the Israeli.

Even according to Hamas own sources, 28k civilians died in the first 3 months, and 3k in the last two months.

"not at all lessened" jfc

Collectively starving children because their parents may have voted incorrectly back in 2007 seems wrong to me.

No war was clearly not an option unless Ukraine went for the genocide route.

Wars vary in scale. The war in Gaza could be much worse as well. I know that's hard to believe but it's true.

Ukraine did nothing close to Oct 7...

These are not the same.

We've been over Zelenskyy's decisions before. No, he does not deserve criticism for Putin declaring war on Ukraine.

Spoken by Mohammed (according to sacred texts of Islam) and quoted in the founding charter of Hamas:

"The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him'"

Are you denying that you blame the people of western nations for the actions of their leaders? If you don't, maybe you shouldn't be giving the reasons you "hate the West".

rafah operation is a go

As does killing children because a "prophet" said to do so 1400 years ago.

Are they entering right now?

The vast majority of the people being collectively punished played no role in the 10/7 attacks. You don't seem to care, though. You just grasp for whatever excuse is at hand to justify the violence.

I deleted a post that was a quote from a religious text. Those can go over into the religion forum if you want to argue about things like that. But every religious text has passages that can be isolated to show horrible, violent ideas. The popular the punishment for homosexuality is death phrase from the bible comes to mind. And while a very high percentage of US christians say they believe the bible to be the word of god, most dont believe or act on that phrase.

So lets keep dueling religious text out of this forum and have that discussion ovdr in the religion forum. Thanks

It could also be much better.

All Bibi has to do is escort all the aid convoys with drones and catch Hamas raiding the convoys red-handed.

But Bibi and his cronies aren't doing it because they are beyond caring about optics and have decided to go nearly all in on collective punishment and public/international opinion be damned. In fact, they might want the worst optics possible to shore up their ultra right wing base.

How many do you think support the 10/7 attacks?

No one here played any role in Israel's attack on Palestine either, but you seem to want to blame us for it.

That was a quote from the founding charter of Hamas, as I pointed out. I didn't cherry pick the passage, Hamas did. You don't think that's relevant here? If the Republican party platform contains an bible passage, are we not allowed to mention that either?

Of course you are correct that every religious text has horrible ideas; that's because every religion is horrible.

I challenge you to find horrible , violent ideas in the Tao te Ching

Why do you think that would fix the problem? when the drones and the soldiers move in other ares, hamas goes to the civilian and takes the stuff, if the civilian isn't already a friend or member of hamas to begin with.