The costs of trans visibility

You made a post stating that Trans ideology is built on a house of cards. If that isn't part of a side on this subject then what is?

Stating that Doctors and Teachers are corrupted to the point of damaging society to further a Trans agenda is abject anti-trans rhetoric.

Implying that trans people are motivated by a sexual fetish over a sense of self is abject anti-trans rhetoric

Implying that trans people are trying to recruit others to transism is abject anti-trans rhetoric

I'm sure if I dug through some pages I could come up with many more examples of the anti-trans side

That post must have been deleted because when I search for it I don't see it, but I'm pretty sure what I was referring to was "gender"-- which is indeed made up of just hopes and dreams.

(technically it's actually a cult-- ask someone what is a "man" or a "woman", and what they will tell you is that what defines these things is the belief in being said gender-- which is way too cultish to be classified as a religion). Either way it's faith-based.

Ironically you just tried to hold intellectual dishonesty over my head a few mere hours ago then pull this ****

This is the post you were responding too, which is him arguing that he should be able to call trans people mentally ill. Nothing about gender.

right

Ok. Since we're trying to be intellectually honest, what part do I have wrong?

Believe it or not, trans ideology is built on gender ideology.

That's the house of cards there.

I made approx 0 claims about adult trans in this thread except about societal affirmation (sports, jails and so on), where i just think we dont owe them anything, and that's not being anti trans.

Implying that the cultural dominant faction (at least in education) uses trans issues to further its own aims with minors isn't anti trans. They do use the environment and race as well among other things. They tried feminism and material inequality as well when it worked.

It's not anti black to claim the left uses affirmative action for very evil reasons for example.

It's not anti trans to claim radical leftists push minors toward trans self identification. I actually think the real trans people are damaged immensely by this.

Imagine being actually trans in a world where deeply evil radical leftists convinced non trans kids with severe other issues to self identify as such for their nefarious leftist reasons.

You get grouped with people with horrible problems because of that.

Statistics will start showing trans as a group have many problems, even if actual trans almost certainly don't as much, because of radical leftist bad faith interventionism.

As usual claiming the radical left deeply damages the groups it purportedly tries to help isn't being against those groups. It's a way to try to help them as well as society at large.

Trans people like most decent people just usually want to be left alone with their lives, allowed to be whatever they want to be, and that is it.

The rest is radical, violent, morally bankrupt people, often non trans ones, claiming they represent a group interest (they don't) and going around trying to bully everyone else using the group interest as an excuse.

You don't need gender theory concept of gender identity to stipulate trans ness exists and makes sense (you probably do for non binary and other more ethereal gender identities).

I can fully accept the existence of actual trans people without gender theory house of cards.

Some people simply constantly, coherently, feel and think as if they are of the opposite sex, and they do even after full puberty. And they do even without any severe mental issue.

Gender theory calls that gender identity, but that doesn't matter. It happens, very very rarely but it happens, and whatever you call it , it exists as a human phenomenon.

Now a normal society accepts that exists as an oddity for very few people and it stops there. You stop giving a **** about their existence per SE and you treat them like you treat every other person.

You don't change anything in society to accomodate their feelings but you don't punish them actively for how they feel. They dress and speak and behave like the sex they feel they are and that's it.

And no one else has to change anything in his life to "affirm" them, unless they want to, then ofc it's fine to.

So crazy that that "house of cards" post would be deleted.

Just ban me if you're going to do that. Clearly I'm not going to change my views or my posting.

Sure if you change your genitalia, take hormones, and dress as the opposite sex then you can be considered trans.

What you haven't done though is change your gender-- that's impossible.

Mods deleted it because I stated that conspiracy theorists have a proclivity to being mentally ill

And perhaps if radical leftists hadn't violent imposed, with the threat of legal violence, the presence of people with dicks in women locker rooms, then perhaps actual trans people asking nicely without violent threats could have been accommodated on a case by case basis in women facilities if women agree with that, because that's how decent people behave in general.

But they had to force it down society throat with violence and now there is backlash, and rightly so.

How could they possibly do this when no one knows what it means to feel like a "man" or a "woman"?

The best you're going to get is stereotypes about how men act tough and girls like pretty things.

There is no gender, what you didn't do is you didn't change your sex. Man and woman aren't genders, they are sexes. Biologically determined ones.

You are forever a man who feels deep inside he is a woman or viceversa, and that's what being trans means, and it exists and it isn't a disease or condition, just a very rare natural occurrence

male and female are sexes

men and women are genders. Idk the Italian words but Spanish makes the same distinction as English...hombre/mujer, macho/hembra

This is objectively propaganda

This is objectively propaganda

More propaganda

Yup, propaganda

Yeah pretty much every line is made up propaganda to delegitimize actual steps being taken to improve the situation. That is objectively anti whatever the **** you want it to be.

If every attempt to improve minority standing is "evil leftist agenda" then what the **** can anyone do?

They pretty quickly average out what a median man and a median woman are, we do that very quickly since young, and no it's not only cultural stereotypes.

For example a woman who is trans and feels she is a man deep inside will feel more in line with her inner being, more at peace with herself, more satisfied, happier, having a graver voice and more facial hair.

That's not a cultural stereotype, men biologically have graver voices and more facial hair.

Women are attracted to different jobs for cultural reasons as well as biological ones, and are more risk averse (in all cultures across the world) and you will find actually trans people behaving more like the sex they feel they are rather than their biological one.

Women also tend to look for a taller older partner and viceversa. Everywhere across geography and time.

And so on

I certainly don't take offense nor did I report that post. There has been lots of bad psychology trying to make that claim and it's a commonly enough held belief that it should be permitted here.

I'll leave it up to Bryce to comment on your ability to speak for what Trans people want or which political agenda may or may not have Trans peoples best interest in mind

Bryce is gay. He doesn't have any more insight into trans people than the gay people that I know-- every single one of which is critical of gender ideology.

Male and man mean approx the same thing when talking about human beings, same as female and woman.

Perhaps the difference might be you can use female even when very young but that's about it.

A woman IS AN ADULT FEMALE HUMAN BEING lol.

And female means "with a body that generates X gametes" , male means "with a body that generates y gametes", for human beings.

For other species with binary sexes, female: large gamete, male: small gamete.

Why would Bryce represent the trans community anymore than me or anyone else, even if he was trans, which he isn't?

Perhaps paraphrasing Biden, you aren't really trans if you don't vote democrat and subscribe to gender theory

No.

A woman is a human who believes they are a woman. Which is why it's a cult.